Study suggests psychiatric diagnoses are "useless"

[not_a_robot]

Well, duh.

Psychiatric diagnoses are 'useless,' study suggests

Psychiatrists consider the DSM-5 the diagnostic 'Bible,' but many have begun to take issue with it. University of Liverpool researchers say it's diagnoses are to indistinct to be useful in treatment.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ZixivaldYrxes]

Lol yeah didn't need a study to figure that out.

Trauma and individual, negative experiences are among the factors psychiatrists might need to be flexible in considering, the University of Liverpool researchers found that these were not, in fact, accounted for substantially in the DSM-5's criteria

'Although diagnostic labels create the illusion of an explanation they are scientifically meaningless and can create stigma and prejudice.'

Echoing her sentiments, Professor John Read, a psychiatry professor at the University of East London said: 'Perhaps it is time we stopped pretending that medical-sounding labels contribute anything to our understanding of the complex causes of human distress or of what kind of help we need when distressed.'

THANK YOU.

 

[Oblivion Lover]

I don't really know what to think about this... I mean, I agree that the mental health system is f***** up, but at least we have something that can work for some people and is scientifically proven. If people start to believe that the mental health system is totally useless and the DSM-5 is completely wrong, that would be such a heavy blow to modern medical science that it could lead to disastrous results such as people stopping to believe in mental disorders and medications and strenghtening their beliefs in religion and pseudosciences. I think nobody would like that, right?

 

[not_a_robot]

I don't really know what to think about this... I mean, I agree that the mental health system is f***** up, but at least we have something that can work for some people and is scientifically proven. If people start to believe that the mental health system is totally useless and the DSM-5 is completely wrong, that would be such a heavy blow to modern medical science that it could lead to disastrous results such as people stopping to believe in mental disorders and medications and strenghtening their beliefs in religion and pseudosciences. I think nobody would like that, right?

Psychiatry and psychology *are* pseudoscience. So the impact of abandoning belief in it would be precisely: nil.

 

[Oblivion Lover]

Psychiatry and psychology *are* pseudoscience. So the impact of abandoning belief in it would be precisely: nil.

No impact? Okay, let me guess... You also don't think that mental disorders are real, right? Because the whole point of this "pseudoscience" is to treat them! Also, if you don't mind me asking, what's your definition of pseudoscience?

 

[SinisterKid]

Surely the whole point of the study and article are to indicate that nothing is "scientifically proven" as far as diagnostics are concerned, which suggests why the book is proving no more useful than the bible when it comes to supposed diagnosis of mental ill health.

 

[not_a_robot]

No impact? Okay, let me guess... You also don't think that mental disorders are real, right? Because the whole point of this "pseudoscience" is to treat them! Also, if you don't mind me asking, what's your definition of pseudoscience?

The point of psychiatry is no more to "treat" mental illness than the point of Catholicism is to save souls. Mental illness is real; psychiatry is 100% pure unadulterated bullshit. It's not even "well-meaning" or "misguided" bullshit; it's sinister, deliberately misleading, harmful bullshit.
Psychiatry is just religion for people who delude themselves that they are too smart for religion. It's all blind faith in subjective bullshit.
And I'm not going to play any stupid Dictionary game with you; you know perfectly well what 'pseudoscience' means, you just don't want to.

 

[puppy9]

I'm a living example of that.

 

[Divine Trinity]

Lol yeah didn't need a study to figure that out.







THANK YOU.

I've been saying this since grade school, where's my [free] honorary degree?

I don't really know what to think about this... I mean, I agree that the mental health system is f***** up, but at least we have something that can work for some people and is scientifically proven. If people start to believe that the mental health system is totally useless and the DSM-5 is completely wrong, that would be such a heavy blow to modern medical science that it could lead to disastrous results such as people stopping to believe in mental disorders and medications and strenghtening their beliefs in religion and pseudosciences. I think nobody would like that, right?

It's the same thing as god or "free will", absolutely nothing from a day-to-day basis will change from society accepting they don't exist, then the educated groups of people have 1 less barrrier to deal with and we may become a little less ignorant and barbaric as a whole.

Surely the whole point of the study and article are to indicate that nothing is "scientifically proven" as far as diagnostics are concerned, which suggests why the book is proving no more useful than the bible when it comes to supposed diagnosis of mental ill health.

Worse:

 

[Oblivion Lover]

The point of psychiatry is no more to "treat" mental illness than the point of Catholicism is to save souls. Mental illness is real; psychiatry is 100% pure unadulterated bullshit. It's not even "well-meaning" or "misguided" bullshit; it's sinister, deliberately misleading, harmful bullshit.
Psychiatry is just religion for people who delude themselves that they are too smart for religion. It's all blind faith in subjective bullshit.
And I'm not going to play any stupid Dictionary game with you; you know perfectly well what 'pseudoscience' means, you just don't want to.

Oh crap, I should've worded that post better. Sorry, I didn't mean to trigger you. Now that I look at my post I see that I sounded a bit sarcastic and condescending, but that wasn't intentional! I was just curious.

 

[Brainpain]

I guess it's good to differentiate between bipolar and unilateral depression because antidepressants can cause hypo/mania in BP folk. But yeah other than that point figuring my "diagnoses" has been mostly pointless. We just addressed symptoms through the years (mostly my anxiety and severe insomnia). Who fucking cares if the big picture has a name. Most meds have been useless anyways and even if I cured my psychiatric "ailments" I would still have incurable pain and want to die, that's not "depression talking" (I HATE that term).

 

[oopswronglife]

About the "don't need a study for common sense" instinct we all have...it's good to have these things officially studied and recorded. It takes them from an opinion, even if obvious, to evidence based fact. Something psychiatry is ironically sorely lacking in.

 

[Morphinekiss]

My dentist told me the other day that everyone in America had ocd and all I could do was nod, because everyone has something they're neurotic about, and because his hand was in my mouth.

 

[not_a_robot]

My dentist told me the other day that everyone in America had ocd and all I could do was nod, because everyone has something they're neurotic about, and because his hand was in my mouth.

lol you have such a crush on your dentist.
Proposition him. Most dentists are a little pervy. He'll go for it. Get that giggle-gas!

 

[Morphinekiss]

lol you have such a crush on your dentist.
Proposition him. Most dentists are a little pervy. He'll go for it. Get that giggle-gas!

I really do. He's so harsh and bald my dream sadist

 

[Pallf]

> Actually trusting the daily mail and exactly one study instead of multiple studies.

 

[Darkhaven]

Oh really? And what made them arrive at this startling discovery?
Haha

 

[not_a_robot]

Lol yeah didn't need a study to figure that out.







THANK YOU.

This is all stuff that doctors should understand intuitively, simply from the experience of *being human*.
If they were human, which they are not. Just mindless profit-seeking drones.

 

[marcusuk63]

 

[not_a_robot]

> Actually trusting the daily mail and exactly one study instead of multiple studies.

lol yeah, Daily mail is horrible, I just grabbed the first link I saw (plus their comment sections are hoot!).
As for trusting "one study", no, I trust every firsthand experience and secondhand account of the mental health industry I've ever witnessed.
The study just confirms it.
And, just like all data that exposes doctors for the craven frauds they are, this study will be ignored and forgotten soon enough, since there's no way for doctors to profit from it.
Can't even imagine the professional backlash these researchers will face for publishing this.

 

[not_a_robot]

Edit: oh the comments *are* a hoot! every time psychiatry is getting exposed as pseudoscience online, there are two or three apologists who go "wow, you are all Scientologists!"
"So many Scientologists!"
It's like calling someone a "nazi" if they say something critical, the new pejorative epithet to discredit any critic.

 

[S5E51mbB]

Psychiatry and psychology *are* pseudoscience. So the impact of abandoning belief in it would be precisely: nil.

Yeah sure. Next thing you know, we'll be calling physics a pseudoscience because Aristotle proposed that heavier objects fall faster than light ones. You'd think that it'd be obvious to people that fields in their infancy aren't exactly going to produce the best of either predictions or results.
DSM is a load of bullshit anyway. No doubt.

 

[RM5998]

Hmm... So having sophisticated diagnosis systems is useless without useful treatment systems... Who'da thunk it?

However, I AM interested in finding out what you all would define 'pseudoscience' as. And please don't look up a definition you agree with - tell me what you mean to convey when you use the word. I'm always interested in finding out how people use emotionally charged words.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm very skeptical of the psychiatric system. Nothing worked for me and these psychiatrists actually seem clueless about mental disorders, that's my experience. We need to improve that very drastically and make sure people get the help they deserve. But I don't know if I would go as far and abandon the whole classification system completely. There certainly are mental disorders which can and need to be diagnosed and also require treatment - and said treatment is successful for many people. But we need to have a different approach for people where the treatment isn't working. And we need to completely change the way we treat suicidal people anyway. That's what I believe.

But one of my mental conditions, for example, gender dysphoria, is listed in the DSM-5. And the current approach to transgender people is the only one that works, from a psychiatric standpoint. So we shouldn't come to dangerous conclusions based on the findings of that study. Many people are dependent on the classification because it gives a green light to very important treatment - and medication that is necessary for them to survive.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Hmm... So having sophisticated diagnosis systems is useless without useful treatment systems... Who'da thunk it?

However, I AM interested in finding out what you all would define 'pseudoscience' as. And please don't look up a definition you agree with - tell me what you mean to convey when you use the word. I'm always interested in finding out how people use emotionally charged words.

Pseudo=false Science=quantitative proof

 

[RM5998]

Pseudo=false Science=quantitative proof

Do you think that psychiatry is a pseudoscience? If so, why?

 

[not_a_robot]

Yeah sure. Next thing you know, we'll be calling physics a pseudoscience because Aristotle proposed that heavier objects fall faster than light ones. You'd think that it'd be obvious to people that fields in their infancy aren't exactly going to produce the best of either predictions or results.
DSM is a load of bullshit anyway. No doubt.

My doctors actually ignored the DSM so they can pretend I'm crazier than I actually am. I'm textbook schizoid but they keep insisting on five other things and when I point out that they are completely contradicting DSM criteria they spew bullshit. They won't even look at it.
"Everybody shows disorders differently.".
"It's not an exact science."
"You just think that because you're psychotic, you need more meds."

Do you think that psychiatry is a pseudoscience? If so, why?

It's completely subjective according to the emotional biases of the therapist. That's why women therapists dislike (who remind them of their mothers) are always called Borderline even if their behavior contradicts the diagnosis. It's a crock of made-up bullshit. It all comes down to
Therapist likes you= good person
Therapist dislikes you= bad person

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Do you think that psychiatry is a pseudoscience? If so, why?

Where is the science?

 

[not_a_robot]

Where is the science?

Most of the science that's been conducted shows it's bullshit.

Rosenhan experiment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Do you think that psychiatry is a pseudoscience? If so, why?

Most of the science that's been conducted shows it's bullshit.

Rosenhan experiment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I would like to continue with this but my eyes refuse to cooperate...sigh. Thwarted again.