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So, a decade ago I went through a brief period of self-harm (cutting) to cope with some severe emotional stuff, right. And yet I got to recently get judged for it by someone who smokes and is overweight.

It's just wild to me, because I'd say both those things are worse / more injurious to one's health then some superficial cuts to my body. That, yes, led to some scarring but otherwise didn't impact my health in other ways. In fact provided me with the distraction from emotional pain that I desperately needed.

And yet, society says this way of coping is just 'the worst'. I've never been drunk or high, or smoked a cigarette. I eat huge amounts of fruits / vegetables / whole grains. I maintain a very healthy weight and don't eat a lot of processed foods. Reasonably fit too. (depressingly healthy for someone who's so suicidal, in fact 😩)

Weird how if I'd just gotten drunk people wouldn't judge me for how I handled that period of my life 🤷‍♀️ Also weird to me how accepting we (as a society) are of seeing other people do quite terrible self-harm, ie smoking / over-eating etc.

Honestly, at that time, I needed something to distract me from extraordinarily severe emotional pain, and well the knife cut through that (ha!). Nothing else could at the time, I did what I had to, and 'healthy' coping mechanisms couldn't help enough. But if only I'd taken up drinking instead, right?
 
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society is clueless and retarded, some people think suicide is wrong and selfish, imagine.
 
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itsover14

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society is clueless and retarded, some people think suicide is wrong and selfish, imagine.
Very true! That's a big reason why this forum is such a relief, to be around people who understand that it's society that's being selfish and cruel by making us suffer (all to spare them a bit of suffering at our passing).

I don't expect society to change tbh. My faith in humanity died a long, long time ago. Some places (like Belgium and the Netherlands) seem to have a better attitude toward euthanasia than every other country (as in, they allow it for treatment-resistant depression). And even though segments of their society are opposed to it, still enough are for it that it's still a potential avenue.

But instead (outside those countries) get to contemplate brutal and terrifying ways to end our own lives...what kind societies we live in.
 
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Very true! That's a big reason why this forum is such a relief, to be around people who understand that it's society that's being selfish and cruel by making us suffer (all to spare them a bit of suffering at our passing).

I don't expect society to change tbh. My faith in humanity died a long, long time ago. Some places (like Belgium and the Netherlands) seem to have a better attitude toward euthanasia than every other country (as in, they allow it for treatment-resistant depression). And even though segments of their society are opposed to it, still enough are for it that it's still a potential avenue.

But instead (outside those countries) get to contemplate brutal and terrifying ways to end our own lives...what kind societies we live in.
this forum is such a life saver for me, I genuinely wish nothing but the best for everyone here, ily every user sm
 
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this forum is such a life saver for me, I genuinely wish nothing but the best for everyone here, ily every user sm
Absolutely. I don't understand how people can demonize this website when there's so much care and compassion from almost everyone here. Funnily enough, I do believe the members here care more about someone here dying / choosing to live than some pro-life Samaritan!

Wish you the best!!
 
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Forever Sleep

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I imagine society or at least, our governments make more money from people who eat crap or smoke/ drink as a coping mechanism. Maybe it's because they do end up with so much profit/ contributions from the companies that make these products, that we are more or less encouraged into using them. You wouldn't get adverts for razorblades to self harm with! Not to excuse it though. It's obviously still bad to overconsume.

Both my Dad and I are overweight but, that doesn't stop him making jibe remarks about other people's weight. It always really annoys me because I think it's quite possibly because they are unhappy in some way and, they're comfort eating as a result. I look at them and see pain/ pity whereas, I suppose for most, they just find it disgusting.

It's an interesting idea though. I suppose some self harm- so long as it doesn't become addictive, too extreme or become infected, I suppose could well be healthier than other things.

It is definitely weird the way we will more or less stand back from a person drinking or eating themself to death. Respecting their right to choose but, not so much self harm.

Maybe because people can relate more to the mindset of wanting to overindulge on food or alcohol. I imagine many will be aware of the endorphin rush. I suppose they may just have less of a reference point for wanting to cut or hurt themselves. Not to excuse them though.
 
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L'appel Du Vide

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You can recover from excessive food and sometimes drugs more reliability than a lot of SH methods. One friend damaged their nerves badly enough through cutting that they ended up killing themselves over it. (the pain and disability, both were probably going to be permanent) These are more shocking and quickly progressing outcomes from the outside perspective of folks who don't SH like myself. It has an appearance or at least a guise of being more urgent and (like you said) without the more relatable upsides of food or drugs.
 
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You can recover from excessive food and sometimes drugs more reliability than a lot of SH methods. One friend damaged their nerves badly enough through cutting that they ended up killing themselves over it. (the pain and disability, both were probably going to be permanent) These are more shocking and quickly progressing outcomes from the outside perspective of folks who don't SH like myself. It has an appearance or at least a guise of being more urgent and (like you said) without the more relatable upsides of food or drugs.
I suppose, and I don't deny that SH can lead to problems. Just, nowhere near the level of food/alcohol/cigarettes. I mean, countless people die from emphysema or cancer from cigarettes. Has anyone ever died from secondhand SH? Countless people have gotten cancer from secondhand smoke.

Also, cardiovascular disease is the number is the number one cause of death for Americans. Heart disease is completely caused by diet.

Before covid, I heard that according to research, obesity had caused more cases of cancer in the US than cigarettes for the first time ever.

Round up all the people who've been harmed enough by SH to end up in the hospital (or been killed by it), and the healthcare system won't notice. Round up all the people receiving medical care from smoking, obesity-related problems, or diet-related cardiovascular disease and the hospitals of the US and UK will suddenly not have any problems from being overburdened. To say nothing of drunk driving problems! Self-harm usually affects the self, and to a degree the family members. It's nothing compared to the grief that drunk driving has caused, there are entire organizations lobbying for laws about drunk driving such as MADD and DADD (mothers/dads against drunk driving).

Each of those issues - smoking, obesity, drinking - cause far more problems for society (have destroyed far more lives) than SH. SH has the shock value, but if an American or Brit had to choose to banish one thing to best help eg American society, to banish smoking, alcohol, obesity or SH, I do hope they wouldn't choose SH.
I imagine society or at least, our governments make more money from people who eat crap or smoke/ drink as a coping mechanism. Maybe it's because they do end up with so much profit/ contributions from the companies that make these products, that we are more or less encouraged into using them. You wouldn't get adverts for razorblades to self harm with! Not to excuse it though. It's obviously still bad to overconsume.

Both my Dad and I are overweight but, that doesn't stop him making jibe remarks about other people's weight. It always really annoys me because I think it's quite possibly because they are unhappy in some way and, they're comfort eating as a result. I look at them and see pain/ pity whereas, I suppose for most, they just find it disgusting.

It's an interesting idea though. I suppose some self harm- so long as it doesn't become addictive, too extreme or become infected, I suppose could well be healthier than other things.

It is definitely weird the way we will more or less stand back from a person drinking or eating themself to death. Respecting their right to choose but, not so much self harm.

Maybe because people can relate more to the mindset of wanting to overindulge on food or alcohol. I imagine many will be aware of the endorphin rush. I suppose they may just have less of a reference point for wanting to cut or hurt themselves. Not to excuse them though.
Oh my goodness, I am the same!! :O When I see overweight people, I think to myself that maybe they're just sad / bad at processing stress. So, sometimes actually I view a larger waistline as a measure of how stressed someone is! (though, people don't just overeat due to stress or even unhappiness ofc) So yes, I will look at overweight people and feel bad for them too, and wish they were mentally in a better place. That is crazy, never heard of anyone out there who thinks the same, but well I'd be the first to say human nature is rather universal. If one person thinks something, than millions have / will do so too :)

And for so much in life, "follow the money". In the US there are powerful lobbying groups to help keep the prices of junk food low, but there's no 'big broccoli' to lobby for subsidies and tax breaks for those farmers, unfortunately :( I did read a study once many years ago that said the majority of US food subsidies end up going to junk food, also there are various articles about how impossible it is to change food subsidies due to lobbyists etc. (And lobbying ofc is legalized bribery)

I also look at addiction as addiction. This could be addiction to food, gaming, SH - whatever, it's gonna be a problem. I remember chatting with one lady once (overweight, worked as a cashier in a supermarket) and she said that food addiction for her is the worst because you have to eat, but don't have to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. I feel like I was lucky to be raised being told things like processed foods are addictive, the more processed foods we eat the more they encourage the appetite etc. Working in a supermarket, ringing up all the junk food people are buying, and having a problem with food addiction though - it just struck me as such an unfortunate situation :(
 
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Couldn't agree more with @Forever Sleep Well another reason that SH could be 'looked down upon' is what is its benefit to society? Alcohol is a highly taxable good so someone benefits. With eating disorders (both under and over weight) either the fashion industry or food & drink industry. Drug programs are highly subsidized by the books and is a smokescreen. Id argue the same with suicide as that's one less taxable income in the governments eyes & one less customer in a companies eyes...
 
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Couldn't agree more with @Forever Sleep Well another reason that SH could be 'looked down upon' is what is its benefit to society? Alcohol is a highly taxable good so someone benefits. With eating disorders (both under and over weight) either the fashion industry or food & drink industry. Drug programs are highly subsidized by the books and is a smokescreen. Id argue the same with suicide as that's one less taxable income in the governments eyes & one less customer in a companies eyes...
I should start saying, that I have had very little to none SH tendencies, but I don't understand how or why you would look down upon someone because they have those? Shouldn't there be the immediate reaction of 'hey, can I help you in any way?'/or at least that be the majority?
 
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I believe alot of it stems from what is viewed as acceptable to the publics eye, as a structured society. It wasn't that many generations ago that formal ware was viewed with a heavy eye.
 
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L'appel Du Vide

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I suppose, and I don't deny that SH can lead to problems. Just, nowhere near the level of food/alcohol/cigarettes. I mean, countless people die from emphysema or cancer from cigarettes. Has anyone ever died from secondhand SH? Countless people have gotten cancer from secondhand smoke.

Also, cardiovascular disease is the number is the number one cause of death for Americans. Heart disease is completely caused by diet.

Before covid, I heard that according to research, obesity had caused more cases of cancer in the US than cigarettes for the first time ever.

Round up all the people who've been harmed enough by SH to end up in the hospital (or been killed by it), and the healthcare system won't notice. Round up all the people receiving medical care from smoking, obesity-related problems, or diet-related cardiovascular disease and the hospitals of the US and UK will suddenly not have any problems from being overburdened. To say nothing of drunk driving problems! Self-harm usually affects the self, and to a degree the family members. It's nothing compared to the grief that drunk driving has caused, there are entire organizations lobbying for laws about drunk driving such as MADD and DADD (mothers/dads against drunk driving).

Each of those issues - smoking, obesity, drinking - cause far more problems for society (have destroyed far more lives) than SH. SH has the shock value, but if an American or Brit had to choose to banish one thing to best help eg American society, to banish smoking, alcohol, obesity or SH, I do hope they wouldn't choose SH.
Aside from the second hand exposures folks tend to see these things as preventable because they believe they can and will stop or cut back enough before the consequences set in. It's easier to delude themselves with things that often take decades to take effect. Even smokers who have already recovered from cancer will try to rationalize like "of course I will quit, but I can take the chance on 5 or 10 more years before the next cancer will happen."

Ever heard about someone dying doing what they loved as if it were romanticized or glorified? Folks struggle to understand SH as an escape could be fun or a worthwhile tradeoff, no frame of reference or way to relate. I think I only get it through a combo of empathy and extensive conversation with SH folk. I had to sincerely listen and ask some questions to comprehend before my friend passed away. Most are uninterested or wouldn't use free time that way until something or someone gets them personally invested.

You're not wrong. A lot of the society outlook just comes from psychology and culture instead of facts and logic.
 

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