Method Rethinking my method

[MissAbyss]

I couldn't bring myself to attempt (FHS) for the second time today. First attempt I was calm and determined but backed out too early due technical issues. So I fixed it and was convinced it would work this time.

This time, I was already nervous two days beforehand and it was building up, today I felt completely paralyzed. I think because my first attempt went wrong, so I was shocked by the feeling of suffocation likely due my history of servere panic disorder with hyperventilation.

I'm not sure if FSH is going to work for me anymore but it's the only most reliable and pratical option I have access to.
I have to work with timeframes, so it should take place in the late morning. Not the most ideal part of the day as I'm already a bit more nervous then compared with evening or night.

I have already researched many methods and reasoned about what could possibly work, many are unfortunately not feasible.

I'm considering another method, purely for practical reasons. These reasons are too many to list here right know. But it would give me a timeframe of 12 to 15 hours, can take place in the evening and just in bed or on the couch.
Stabbing, I know it's brutal and messy. Unfortunately, I can't find much information on this forum about it, which is understandable. Not many people will choose this method.
I have low body mass and a high tolerance for pain so I think I could do it, but I wonder how reliable it is.

I've seen many videos of stabbings on gore sites, it looks reliable and pretty rapid loss of consciousness if stabbed in the right places, like the liver, spleen, abdominal (artery), intestines etc.

Is there anyone who wants to try this method or has knowledge/experience with this? If you don't feel comfortable discussing this openly here, please send me a private message.

 

[TBONTB]

I don't have any knowledge of it, but it seems like it would be harder to overcome SI than with FSH from my perspective

 

[MissAbyss]

I'm not sure, when I saw videos of people hanging themselves, I felt repulsed by seeing those convulsions, even knowing that they're involuntarily.

The problem with this method is that there is no room for practice.

 

[hell toupee]

I couldn't bring myself to attempt (FHS) for the second time today. First attempt I was calm and determined but backed out too early due technical issues. So I fixed it and was convinced it would work this time.

This time, I was already nervous two days beforehand and it was building up, today I felt completely paralyzed. I think because my first attempt went wrong, so I was shocked by the feeling of suffocation likely due my history of servere panic disorder with hyperventilation.

I'm not sure if FSH is going to work for me anymore but it's the only most reliable and pratical option I have access to.
I have to work with timeframes, so it should take place in the late morning. Not the most ideal part of the day as I'm already a bit more nervous then compared with evening or night.

I have already researched many methods and reasoned about what could possibly work, many are unfortunately not feasible.

I'm considering another method, purely for practical reasons. These reasons are too many to list here right know. But it would give me a timeframe of 12 to 15 hours, can take place in the evening and just in bed or on the couch.
Stabbing, I know it's brutal and messy. Unfortunately, I can't find much information on this forum about it, which is understandable. Not many people will choose this method.
I have low body mass and a high tolerance for pain so I think I could do it, but I wonder how reliable it is.

I've seen many videos of stabbings on gore sites, it looks reliable and pretty rapid loss of consciousness if stabbed in the right places, like the liver, spleen, abdominal (artery), intestines etc.

Is there anyone who wants to try this method or has knowledge/experience with this? If you don't feel comfortable discussing this openly here, please send me a private message.

No. Please don't stab yourself.

First, stabbing at your abdomen's internal organs is going to be excruciating, high pain tolerance or not. There is pain tolerance, and beyond pain tolerance, such as a broken femur or something.

If full suspension was painful and causes you to panic, that would be like a walk in the park over just aimlessly jabbing at your gut. It would take a lot of willpower to force yourself to do this - SI is almost guaranteed to kick in.

Did you try full suspension? or Partial? If it was full suspension, why did it fail? Unless you have an equipment failure or someone saves you, a full suspension is pretty much 100% guaranteed.

Partial takes a lot of trial and error to get right.

I only wish you peace in whatever you do.

 

[james_hennigan2001@]

No don't stab yourself. Locate some SN. Its hard but possible. Have a nice peaceful exit.

 

[MissAbyss]

There is pain tolerance, and beyond pain tolerance, such as a broken femur or something.

Couldn't this create a shock?

If full suspension was painful and causes you to panic, that would be like a walk in the park over just aimlessly jabbing at your gut.

It wasn't painful. Due equipment failure (using wrong knot) I didn't lose consciousness fast and could still breath somewhat, so I backed out.
Now I have the right knot, but SI prevents me to even attempt again.

No, I'm not supposed to just randomly stab like a maniac, it needs to be done precisely.

Partial will not work. The more practice, the more resistance I build up. I need something that I can't anticipate on, so I can't back down in advance.

No don't stab yourself. Locate some SN. Its hard but possible. Have a nice peaceful exit.

Thank you for your reply but SN is a no-go for me.

 

[hell toupee]

Couldn't this create a shock?

It wasn't painful. Due equipment failure (using wrong knot) I didn't lose consciousness fast and could still breath somewhat, so I backed out.
Now I have the right knot, but SI prevents me to even attempt again.

No, I'm not supposed to just randomly stab like a maniac, it needs to be done precisely.

Partial will not work. The more practice, the more resistance I build up. I need something that I can't anticipate on, so I can't back down in advance.

Thank you for your reply but SN is a no-go for me.

So your attempt was full suspension but you had equipment failure?

Sorry, I'm a little confused. You mentioned it wasn't painful, but you are scared to try it again. However because of this, you are consider disemboweling yourself with a knife? Don't you think that would be a lot more painful? I mean, if SI prevents you from full suspension, how would you overcome SI to disembowel yourself?

In the case of stabbing your gut, my guess is you would die from bleeding to death. Stabbing your liver, kidneys, or other internal organs besides the heart is not going to bring about instant death.

The old Japanese Samurai custom of disemboweling themselves did not kill the person doing it. Right after the person would plunge the knife in to their abdomen, someone else would immediately cut off their head.

 

[MissAbyss]

Sorry, I'm a little confused. You mentioned it wasn't painful, but you are scared to try it again.

"I think because my first attempt went wrong, so I was shocked by the feeling of suffocation likely due my history of servere panic disorder with hyperventilation."

So the feeling of suffocation, like I wrote.

The old Japanese Samurai custom of disemboweling themselves did not kill the person doing it. Right after the person would plunge the knife in to their abdomen, someone else would immediately cut off their head.

I read that many times. I only like to have an plausible explanation why I don't see much agony in people when they got stabbed in videos on gore sites.

 

[hell toupee]

"I think because my first attempt went wrong, so I was shocked by the feeling of suffocation likely due my history of servere panic disorder with hyperventilation."

So the feeling of suffocation, like I wrote.


I read that many times. I only like to have an plausible explanation why I don't see much agony in people when they got stabbed in videos on gore sites.

I'm not sure what type of gore videos these are - people stabbing themselves? Or people who are getting stabbed by others?

If it's people being stabbed by others, my guess would be that they are in a fight-or-flight situation and have a lot of adrenaline pumping through their body.

So you tried full suspension, not partial? If it was full suspension, how did you get out of it? Was there something nearby that you were able to stand on and get yourself out of it?

 

[MissAbyss]

I'm not sure what type of gore videos these are - people stabbing themselves? Or people who are getting stabbed by others?

Both.

Yes, that would make sense.

Yeah, I didn't kicked the chair away. I just stepped of it slowly and therefore I could get back on it again. So if I choose full suspension again, I have to get off immediately and try to kick the chair away. But first I have to tackle the SI that was created by the first failed attempt.

 

[hell toupee]

Both.

Yes, that would make sense.

Yeah, I didn't kicked the chair away. I just stepped of it slowly and therefore I could get back on it again. So if I choose full suspension again, I have to get off immediately and try to kick the chair away. But first I have to tackle the SI that was created by the first failed attempt.

Unfortunately, this is the boat most of us are in.

I originally wanted to use partial, but there is just too great a chance it can fail - especially with involuntary movements after you are unconscious - and that's assuming you would lose consciousness right away which is easier said than done. I then came to the conclusion that full suspension is the only way to go. I understand why people want to dip their toes in the water with partial hanging, but everything I've read in the hanging mega thread seems to point to the fact that pressure has to be applied quickly for the carotid arteries to be full shut off. People seemed to have more success with losing consciousness with partial when they sat in to it quickly, or allowed all of their body weight to relax.

You aren't alone with the SI battles - it definitely takes a lot of guts to kick over the stool, knowing there is no return if you happen to be one of the minority who does not pass out right away and ends up choking to death. Most seem to pass out right away, but indeed there are others who don't, and I hate taking chances like that

 

[whyyyyyyyy]

Hanging seems like one of the easiest and most effective methods assuming you're prudent about the setup. If that's not an option, NOT RECOMMENDING TO YOU OR ANYBODY, but I would probably say gun is the next in line easiest after that. Poisoning sketches me out, and if one is worried about a scary death, poisoning really doesn't seem like a strong option. A lot more seems like it could go wrong.

Stabbing or cutting of any kind as a method seems very hard to carry out, and much more painful and ugly. That seems much more difficult to me than hanging. Hanging is disturbing in its own way, but overall seems pretty peaceful. If one is so inclined, they can find Wataru Tsurumi's manual of suicide by searching on this site. His chapter on hanging is fairly comprehensive, and he opines it is overall cleanest method.

Likewise, one can also read his section on cutting, which really highlights that cutting is very difficult and very unpleasant. I would steer clear of cutting, and that chapter informs of why. Cutting seems harder than hanging. You might still want to avoid hanging, but I doubt cutting is any better for the average person.

Still, if one wanted to know about cutting as a method, that chapter from Wataru Tsurumi's manual of suicide provides nice, detailed, anatomical discussion of the best methods. Not to recommend anything to you...

 

[MissAbyss]

You aren't alone with the SI battles - it definitely takes a lot of guts to kick over the stool, knowing there is no return if you happen to be one of the minority who does not pass out right away and ends up choking to death. Most seem to pass out right away, but indeed there are others who don't, and I hate taking chances like that

You're the first person I have met here who understands it. The fear of ending up chocking to death because you don't pass out that quickly. For others it does indeed seem to be easier to pass out. It really feels like a gamble.

Thank you for answering, hopefully we both overcome SI one day.

Hanging seems like one of the easiest and most effective methods assuming you're prudent about the setup. If that's not an option, NOT RECOMMENDING TO YOU OR ANYBODY, but I would probably say gun is the next in line easiest after that. Poisoning sketches me out, and if one is worried about a scary death, poisoning really doesn't seem like a strong option. A lot more seems like it could go wrong.

Stabbing or cutting of any kind as a method seems very hard to carry out, and much more painful and ugly. That seems much more difficult to me than hanging. Hanging is disturbing in its own way, but overall seems pretty peaceful. If one is so inclined, they can find Wataru Tsurumi's manual of suicide by searching on this site. His chapter on hanging is fairly comprehensive, and he opines it is overall cleanest method.

Likewise, one can also read his section on cutting, which really highlights that cutting is very difficult and very unpleasant. I would steer clear of cutting, and that chapter informs of why. Cutting seems harder than hanging. You might still want to avoid hanging, but I doubt cutting is any better for the average person.

Still, if one wanted to know about cutting as a method, that chapter from Wataru Tsurumi's manual of suicide provides nice, detailed, anatomical discussion of the best methods. Not to recommend anything to you...

Thank you for the suggestion, I will look it up.

 

[hell toupee]

You're the first person I have met here who understands it. The fear of ending up chocking to death because you don't pass out that quickly. For others it does indeed seem to be easier to pass out. It really feels like a gamble.

Thank you for answering, hopefully we both overcome SI one day.


Thank you for the suggestion, I will look it up.

There are a lot of people who completely understand what you and I have just described.

I believe this is why partial is more popular, or has more people asking about it - because if you start to struggle, you can back out if you want to.

It's kind of a double edged sword. In order to lose consciousness right away from hanging, the pressure and weight should be applied quickly. So it's like you have to take a leap of faith to kick over the chair and go full suspension.

Right now, I have a few other less painful methods that I am working on, however I need to have a backup plan, just in case.

The only thing that really worries me about partial hanging is that it seems there are a lot of people who lose consciousness, but then wake back up. Most likely because involuntary movements while you are passed out are disrupting the pressure on the carotids. So a lot of things have to go right. What I was thinking of doing as insurance, was putting a large plastic bag over my head right before I hang myself. It would be a large bag so there is enough oxygen in there to breathe normally for several seconds, and the idea would be that after I lost consciousness from the hanging, the bag would insure that I don't ever wake up.

If I could somehow source some medication or something that makes you pass out, I could use the plastic bag as insurance as well. This is what the Heaven's Gate cult did in their mass suicide. They did it in groups. The first group took Nembutal, and once they lost consciousness a 2nd group would put a plastic bag over their heads. After they were satisfied the person was gone, they removed the plastic bag and put a piece of cloth over their face. Obviously the last group had to do without the plastic bags, and they certainly died from the Nembutal.

I believe the person who started the hanging mega thread utilized this combination of methods. He finally CTB'd with partial and putting a plastic bag over his head beforehand.

 

[MissAbyss]

The only thing that really worries me about partial hanging is that it seems there are a lot of people who lose consciousness, but then wake back up. Most likely because involuntary movements while you are passed out are disrupting the pressure on the carotids.

Yes, I talked about this with someone who had the same problem.

I personally haven't really considered partial anymore because I can't find an appropriate anchor point. I don't have many anchor points in my house and they are all too low.
The wooden beams above my stair which I use for full suspension is not suitable for partial. I can put a stool in front of it but the rope has to be attached higher so I can't back out via the stair treads. Or I should use a dumbbell to create an anchor point on my door, but I'm not sure about that.

If I could somehow source some medication or something that makes you pass out, I could use the plastic bag as insurance as well.

Yes, It's always better to build in an extra security.

 

[Kitsune_BCN]

When i see u guys talking about this in all seriousness, i can only feel respect. Hanging is like speaking alien language for me

 

[MissAbyss]

When i see u guys talking about this in all seriousness, i can only feel respect. Hanging is like speaking alien language for me

What method do you prefer (if you have one) if I may ask?

 

[Kitsune_BCN]

SN / enormous opioid OD with zero chance of narcan

 

[MissAbyss]

SN / enormous opioid OD with zero chance of narcan

Nice. SN is a no-go for me, but opiods could have been an option. Unfortunately I don't have access to them.