Phenobarbital - why is there not more discussion about this as an alternative to N compared to something like SN?

[orbwithinorb]

It seems like this barb is available on the dark web, why isn't it more popular as a method compared to something like SN? From what I've read you need a higher dose than you would with N, and that it's much slower acting, but if you account for those two factors by taking a larger dose and do it in a place where you won't be found for a while - wouldn't this be an ideal method to go out peacefully?

I am still trying to figure out how long it usually takes to die after ingestion to understand how much time you'd need to account for after taking it. Still though, it can't be that difficult to do it in a place where you wouldn't be found for a while.

Is there anything else I'm missing with this method not being reliable? Obviously want to hear about it if I am as I'm looking into this as a potential method so please correct me if needed.

 

[infiniteresignation]

it's impossible to source

 

[orbwithinorb]

it's impossible to source

Are you sure you're not talking about pentobarbital aka Nembutal? That seems like it is impossible to source but users on here have reported getting access to pentobarbital. Unlike N it's still being produced and prescribed.

 

[Xiaojiu]

It's not that easily accessible. Not everyone can navigate the dark web here unfortunately :/

 

[barelyholdingon]

'Phenobarbital and alcohol these two surely will do
To knock me out keep me down at least a daaay or two'

 

[orbwithinorb]

It's not that easily accessible. Not everyone can navigate the dark web here unfortunately :/

I can't either at the moment, I will have to learn how to use it.

 

[jatty]

No one knows a source yet, and theres no ctb records yet. (On sasu)
Once those two things happen, it will be the best thing since salted drinks.

People say its not accessible, but people did crazy feats just for Nembutal. Nowadays, for sn, or nitrogen tanks.

But because its a niche resource, so a lot of us haven't bothered with looking for it, or just bought opiates instead.

 

[orbwithinorb]

No one knows a source yet, and theres no ctb records yet. (On sasu)
Once those two things happen, it will be the best thing since salted drinks.

People say its not accessible, but people did crazy feats just for Nembutal. Nowadays, for sn, or nitrogen tanks.

But because its a niche resource, so a lot of us haven't bothered with looking for it, or just bought opiates instead.

I've spoken with several members on here that claimed to have found it on the dark web and successfully ordered. There's also other discussions on this forum about this barb being one of the only ones (if not the only one) you can actually source on the dark web.

 

[infiniteresignation]

Are you sure you're not talking about pentobarbital aka Nembutal? That seems like it is impossible to source but users on here have reported getting access to pentobarbital. Unlike N it's still being produced and prescribed.

no i'm talking about phenobarbital. it's not easy to acquire even if you venture off the clearnet afaik considering dilantin is preferred in a lot of medical usecases over phenobarbital

 

[jatty]

I've spoken with several members on here that claimed to have found it on the dark web and successfully ordered. There's also other discussions on this forum about this barb being one of the only ones (if not the only one) you can actually source on the dark web.

Interesting.
I mean essentially a source that is shared among people, like how dmc was. Not many people are savvy enough to search on their own.

But I suppose if a megathread is created and a source acronym is shared it will probably become pretty widespread. Maybe people are hiding it right now.

 

[orbwithinorb]

Chemical Cause of Cultists' Deaths Is No Mystery

Holy shit apparently the Heaven's Gate cult used Phenobarbital + alcohol for their mass-suicide, all 39 died.

no i'm talking about phenobarbital. it's not easy to acquire even if you venture off the clearnet afaik considering dilantin is preferred in a lot of medical usecases over phenobarbital

A few people on here have claimed to have ordered from the dark web and received it. I am going to venture to learn how to actually use the web and access markets and confirm if I'm able to find it myself.

 

[bitterToad]

It seems like this barb is available on the dark web, why isn't it more popular as a method compared to something like SN? From what I've read you need a higher dose than you would with N, and that it's much slower acting, but if you account for those two factors by taking a larger dose and do it in a place where you won't be found for a while - wouldn't this be an ideal method to go out peacefully?

I am still trying to figure out how long it usually takes to die after ingestion to understand how much time you'd need to account for after taking it. Still though, it can't be that difficult to do it in a place where you wouldn't be found for a while.

Is there anything else I'm missing with this method not being reliable? Obviously want to hear about it if I am as I'm looking into this as a potential method so please correct me if needed.

From what I found, you need a lot of phenobarbital to be entirely sure, I'd look at 30g for 70kg.
Phenobarbital is slow acting - what if something unforeseen happens?
There's nobody to monitor you like a vet or doctor would for euthanasia.
To come by so much of it is tricky, I'd need to do illegal stuff for months to collect enough.
I can't bring myself to do it, I'm scared I get caught and go to prison.
If you can access a lot without risk, then research it and see what you think.
Personally, if I had enough, I would do this, even with the risks.

Edit: The cult did use it, but only the last two members were not monitored, but it went according to plan all he same.

 

[orbwithinorb]

Maybe I'm now overthinking this, but in this source it's recommended to dose with antiemetics and benzos, bleh more things to acquire.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/10/7/e036054.full.pdf

 

[bitterToad]

Maybe I'm now overthinking this, but in this source it's recommended to dose with antiemetics and benzos, bleh more things to acquire.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/10/7/e036054.full.pdf

Let's say you're able to get it off the dark web from dodgy suppliers, how do you know it is for sure what you think it is?
PPH talks about testing it, but that's more stuff to source that's hard to come by.
That said, if you're sure, have enough and are 100% certain your loading doses for the combination with anti-emetics are correct - you know.

 

[thedarkdog]

Let's say you're able to get it off the dark web from dodgy suppliers, how do you know it is for sure what you think it is?
PPH talks about testing it, but that's more stuff to source that's hard to come by.
That said, if you're sure, have enough and are 100% certain your loading doses for the combination with anti-emetics are correct - you know.

Anti-.emetics aren't really available from the dark web since there is no recreational potential but it shouldn't be necessary, just go to the doctor and say you have nausea and otc stuff doesn't help.

I acquired 12gm Phenobarbital from the dark web but after testing 600mg yesterday I'm not sure it's real. I plan on getting a urine test strip but I have to wait a week until next month and new money.

It really sucks how everything, even dying, is hard when your poor.

 

[intr0verse]

Anti-.emetics aren't really available from the dark web since there is no recreational potential but it shouldn't be necessary, just go to the doctor and say you have nausea and otc stuff doesn't help.

I acquired 12gm Phenobarbital from the dark web but after testing 600mg yesterday I'm not sure it's real. I plan on getting a urine test strip but I have to wait a week until next month and new money.

It really sucks how everything, even dying, is hard when your poor.

Did it came as a powder or tablets? Weren't those in their original blisters?
Six hundred mg should have put you to sleep for several hours, although the onset is somehow slow.

 

[thedarkdog]

Did it came as a powder or tablets? Weren't those in their original blisters?
Six hundred mg should have put you to sleep for several hours, although the onset is somehow slow.

Tablets in their original Blister. It certainly looks real.
Well as I said I did fall asleep eventually and slept until like 7am.

 

[intr0verse]

Tablets in their original Blister. It certainly looks real.
Well as I said I did fall asleep eventually and slept until like 7am.

Ok. Than they're most likely legit; it's up to you if you want to test them out.

 

[orbwithinorb]

Tablets in their original Blister. It certainly looks real.
Well as I said I did fall asleep eventually and slept until like 7am.

How long did it take you to fall asleep after taking it? Also, did you sleep longer than you usually do after?

I'm puzzled by how such a high dose wouldn't make you feel very sedated and knock you out right away if this was real

 

[intr0verse]

How long did it take you to fall asleep after taking it? Also, did you sleep longer than you usually do after?

I'm puzzled by how such a high dose wouldn't make you feel very sedated and knock you out right away if this was real

It's a long(slow)-acting barbiturate and although 600mg will hit a bit faster than a therapeutic dose of 100mg, it's still slow compared to the short(fast)-acting barbiturates.

 

[orbwithinorb]

It's a long(slow)-acting barbiturate and although 600mg will hit a bit faster than a therapeutic dose of 100mg, it's still slow compared to the short(fast)-acting barbiturates.

Wiki tells me it should kick in in 30 minutes, other sources say it could take up to an hour

 

[intr0verse]

Wiki tells me it should kick in in 30 minutes, other sources say it could take up to an hour

Yep, somewhere between the two...

 

[orbwithinorb]

Yep, somewhere between the two...

I guess we will wait for his response to see how long it took him to feel sedated/fall asleep, I got the impression that it took him much longer than that. Crossing my fingers that this is legit because I am wanting to place an order myself as well.

 

[intr0verse]

I guess we will wait for his response to see how long it took him to feel sedated/fall asleep, I got the impression that it took him much longer than that. Crossing my fingers that this is legit because I am wanting to place an order myself as well.

Or maybe he was just expecting a faster onset and was disappointed when it took a bit longer...

 

[orbwithinorb]

Or maybe he was just expecting a faster onset and was disappointed when it took a bit longer...

Yes, also possible. I'm not here to argue I just want to die lmao.

 

[intr0verse]

Yes, also possible. I'm not here to argue I just want to die lmao.

I wasn't trying to argue. It's just that OP, knowing it's a barbiturate, might have had some expectations and then when those expectations weren't met, they thought is not real pheno. I think the original sealed blisters could indicate that pheno is legit.

 

[thedarkdog]

How long did it take you to fall asleep after taking it? Also, did you sleep longer than you usually do after?

I'm puzzled by how such a high dose wouldn't make you feel very sedated and knock you out right away if this was real

I'm not quite sure since I didn't check the clock again (I first took some 3x60 at 19:10 and then 7x60 at 20:40). I just don't remember a feeling of strong sedation. But even if it took me 2 hours to fall asleep that would mean I slept for 8 hours straight, which would be unusually long for me.

 

[orbwithinorb]

I'm not quite sure since I didn't check the clock again (I first took some 3x60 at 19:10 and then 7x60 at 20:40). I just don't remember a feeling of strong sedation. But even if it took me 2 hours to fall asleep that would mean I slept for 8 hours straight, which would be unusually long for me.

Huh, interesting. The fact that you felt no strong sedation makes me think it's not real but then again we all react to drugs in different ways, and you ended up sleeping longer than you normally do so I don't know.

Would love to hear from people who are more familiar with Phenobarbital/Barbiturates on this..

I wasn't trying to argue. It's just that OP, knowing it's a barbiturate, might have had some expectations and then when those expectations weren't met, they thought is not real pheno. I think the original sealed blisters could indicate that pheno is legit.

Gotcha. I agree that the sealed blisters indicates it's real which is why I'm so confused by OP's experience with taking them.