Venting NEUROTYPICALS ARE ALWAYS LYING

[ALonelyFreak]

This thread is gonna insult a lot of people but who gives a fuck because I'm damn right.

So I'm autistic and I'm honest. Neurotypicals ARE NEVER HONEST with me when it comes to relationships with me. Okay, maybe when they are literally beating me up for no reason maybe they are expressing themselves honestly but when they are non violent they are lying. When they say they enjoy my company they are lying. It's always like this they smile at me and then they spread rumours behinnd my back. They are always having hidden intentions. If they are engaging with me it's never because "I enjoy Freak's company" no. It's either their tasks force them to integrate with me or they have some agenda. And neurotypicals always reassure me that everything is fine untill it isn't.

So I will be trying to reduce contact with people. It's not worth it.

 

[eupdplishlp]

This thread is gonna insult a lot of people but who gives a fuck because I'm damn right.

So I'm autistic and I'm honest. Neurotypicals ARE NEVER HONEST with me when it comes to relationships with me. Okay, maybe when they are literally beating me up for no reason maybe they are expressing themselves honestly but when they are non violent they are lying. When they say they enjoy my company they are lying. It's always like this they smile at me and then they spread rumours behinnd my back. They are always having hidden intentions. If they are engaging with me it's never because "I enjoy Freak's company" no. It's either their tasks force them to integrate with me or they have some agenda. And neurotypicals always reassure me that everything is fine untill it isn't.

So I will be trying to reduce contact with people. It's not worth it.

I know neurotypicals that are very honesty and don't lie. that does sound like an aweful expernice tho I'm terrible sorry. I have adhd and eupd idk if that is neurotypical but my brother and multiple friends have autism and they lie least out of everyone. what is it they say about you if you don't mind me asking?

 

[ALonelyFreak]

I know neurotypicals that are very honesty and don't lie. that does sound like an aweful expernice tho I'm terrible sorry. I have adhd and eupd idk if that is neurotypical but my brother and multiple friends have autism and they lie least out of everyone. what is it they say about you if you don't mind me asking?

yeah I've met at least 3 autistic motherfuckin liars but you know it's mostly neurotypicals and ADHD is considered neurodivergent. It's like yes we like you Freak and then when I'm not listening they say I'm annoying or sth.

 

[Ch4in3dcr0w]

I think a good thinking is that everyone lies and keeps hidden intentions no matter their disorders, ilnesses etc its in our nature after all. i know neurodivergents who also lie and hurt me deeply and just because lying doesnt come easy to you doesnt mean it doesnt come to other neurodivergents. Its a generalization of every neurodivergent wich is bad in itself
Much love

 

[eupdplishlp]

yeah I've met at least 3 autistic motherfuckin liars but you know it's mostly neurotypicals and ADHD is considered neurodivergent. It's like yes we like you Freak and then when I'm not listening they say I'm annoying or sth.

Miss communiation? usually im the one being told im not listening, probably I wouldn't notice if you wernet lisening. But that only because i might be distracted by the microwave or somin nothing personal.

I think a good thinking is that everyone lies and keeps hidden intentions no matter their disorders, ilnesses etc its in our nature after all. i know neurodivergents who also lie and hurt me deeply and just because lying doesnt come easy to you doesnt mean it doesnt come to other neurodivergents. Its a generalization of every neurodivergent wich is bad in itself
Much love

I can tell you a deep hidden truth I don't see posted often that I may get hated on. 1. when I was a teenager I liked the feeling of a bandage put round my arm, after id self harmed, by a paticular nurse. made me feel loved.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

I too reduced contact with people. I've had a long deep look inside myself and thought about ever meeting people again. Those who are worth hanging around are:

1. Either dead because of their own battles
2. Already in tight friend groups.
3. Gave up on trying to find other people.

And for the 4th option? the ones who are still looking for friendships? sorry but at this point I think I'm so done with life that I wouldn't want to burden someone even if they were worth my time, I don't think finding someone who could understand would make me get out of this state. It's not worth risking another person's sanity just for a chance to "pull myself up" , I'm not that selfish and I'm thankful for this life were I suffered.

For all we know had I not been born this way, I could have back stabbed, beaten, r*ped and who knows what else. I was born and saw the humans for the shitbags that they are, I am lucky, at least I'll get the fuck out of this planet with a clean conscience.

 

[ALonelyFreak]

I think a good thinking is that everyone lies and keeps hidden intentions no matter their disorders, ilnesses etc its in our nature after all. i know neurodivergents who also lie and hurt me deeply and just because lying doesnt come easy to you doesnt mean it doesnt come to other neurodivergents. Its a generalization of every neurodivergent wich is bad in itself
Much love

Yeah I mean you're right I'm not saying neurodivergents are any better hence it's better to become a recluse entirely.

Miss communiation? usually im the one being told im not listening, probably I wouldn't notice if you wernet lisening. But that only because i might be distracted by the microwave or somin nothing personal.

I can tell you a deep hidden truth I don't see posted often that I may get hated on. 1. when I was a teenager I liked the feeling of a bandage put round my arm, after id self harmed, by a paticular nurse. made me feel loved.

It's not miscommunication its malicious.

I too reduced contact with people. I've had a long deep look inside myself and thought about ever meeting people again. Those who are worth hanging around are:

1. Either dead because of their own battles
2. Already in tight friend groups.
3. Gave up on trying to find other people.

pretty much yeah XDDDDDDDDD all the nice people are already in big friendship circles and they can't make friends with anybody else.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

When they say they enjoy my company they are lying.

Probably because they are trying to be nice since, based on this post, you don't come off as the most enjoyable person to hang around.

 

[eupdplishlp]

Yeah I mean you're right I'm not saying neurodivergents are any better hence it's better to become a recluse entirely.


It's not miscommunication its malicious.


pretty much yeah XDDDDDDDDD all the nice people are already in big friendship circles and they can't make friends with anybody else.

malicious based on?

 

[Celerity]

Probably because they are trying to be nice since, based on this post, you don't come off as the most enjoyable person to hang around.

Not sure how OP is supposed to pull themselves up by their emotional bootstraps when they have had such a hard time getting along with the people they know.

OP, if you are autistic, I wonder if it might be worth reaching out to organizations or therapists who help folks with autism if you have not yet done so.

I am very sorry you are feeling so alienated right now. I am too, and I am (probably) not autistic.

True kindness is very rare. Most "nice" people are that way because they find it easier, not because they really care about the well-being of others. By adulthood, most people who enjoyed bullying and excluding others have simply learned that it is not usually worth the hassle. Does the impulse remain? Yes, it's just covered by a thin veneer of politeness.

 

[ALonelyFreak]

Probably because they are trying to be nice since, based on this post, you don't come off as the most enjoyable person to hang around.

eeeeeeey this is mean but thanks for honesty... u know when sb is honest I'm correcting myself. but when they pretend to be fine and then they ghost me how can i improve

malicious based on?

if they hurt me in the end and they don't care that they hurt me bc they are fine with it I think I can consider it malicious. if it's miscommunication it can be fixed.

Not sure how OP is supposed to pull themselves up by their emotional bootstraps when they have had such a hard time getting along with the people they know.

OP, if you are autistic, I wonder if it might be worth reaching out to organizations or therapists who help folks with autism if you have not yet done so.

I am very sorry you are feeling so alienated right now. I am too, and I am (probably) not autistic.

True kindness is very rare. Most "nice" people are that way because they find it easier, not because they really care about the well-being of others. By adulthood, most people who enjoyed bullying and excluding others have simply learned that it is not usually worth the hassle. Does the impulse remain? Yes, it's just covered by a thin veneer of politeness.

yeah therapy is another part of my trauma. it didnt help me at all it was mostly the "therapists" bullying me. I'm always let down by the shrinks.

 

[Celerity]

eeeeeeey this is mean but thanks for honesty... u know when sb is honest I'm correcting myself. but when they pretend to be fine and then they ghost me how can i improve


if they hurt me in the end and they don't care that they hurt me bc they are fine with it I think I can consider it malicious. if it's miscommunication it can be fixed.

yeah therapy is another part of my trauma. it didnt help me at all it was mostly the "therapists" bullying me. I'm always let down by the shrinks.

Have you tried group therapy? I have found it helpful in the past because it puts you on a more level playing field. What did the therapists do if you don't mind me asking?

 

[eupdplishlp]

eeeeeeey this is mean but thanks for honesty... u know when sb is honest I'm correcting myself. but when they pretend to be fine and then they ghost me how can i improve


if they hurt me in the end and they don't care that they hurt me bc they are fine with it I think I can consider it malicious. if it's miscommunication it can be fixed.

yeah therapy is another part of my trauma. it didnt help me at all it was mostly the "therapists" bullying me. I'm always let down by the shrinks.

yeah that's fair if they intentianally wanted to hurt you that's messed up but I definatly do not want to hurt anyone and I know many other neurotypical people the same. there are assholes where ever you go in life im sorry it had to be someone nurotypical but please dont class us all as liars

 

[ALonelyFreak]

Have you tried group therapy? I have found it helpful in the past because it puts you on a more level playing field. What did the therapists do if you don't mind me asking?

I'm tryna keep it short but okay. Actually it's been mostly group therapy idk if it's called ABA in English or whatever. We would sit in a group of around 6 autistic people and we pretended to be friends and that was essentially all my social skills training. I've had some 1 to 1 therapy and it wasn't good either... mostly just mental abuse saying im worthless not trying hard enough whatever.

yeah that's fair if they intentianally wanted to hurt you that's messed up but I definatly do not want to hurt anyone and I know many other neurotypical people the same. there are assholes where ever you go in life im sorry it had to be someone nurotypical but please dont class us all as liars

sorry but YOU ARE neurodivergent if u got ADHD.
I've never met those nice neurotypicals though :(

 

[Celerity]

I'm tryna keep it short but okay. Actually it's been mostly group therapy idk if it's called ABA in English or whatever. We would sit in a group of around 6 autistic people and we pretended to be friends and that was essentially all my social skills training. I've had some 1 to 1 therapy and it wasn't good either... mostly just mental abuse saying im worthless not trying hard enough whatever.

sorry but YOU ARE neurodivergent if u got ADHD.
I've never met those nice neurotypicals though :(

I'm sorry to hear that you had such a rough time in therapy. Have you checked out any YouTubers who have autism. I follow Dr. Scott Eilers on YouTube who is a therapist that went through years of therapy himself. I don't know if he would be a good fit for you, but I feel like there's gotta be someone in the Autism space that could make you feel less freakish.

I say that though as someone who has also given up on trying to fit in better. I'm really sorry you're hurting, and I wish I could make it better. I wish it were not so damn difficult to find kindness and respect.

 

[eupdplishlp]

I'm tryna keep it short but okay. Actually it's been mostly group therapy idk if it's called ABA in English or whatever. We would sit in a group of around 6 autistic people and we pretended to be friends and that was essentially all my social skills training. I've had some 1 to 1 therapy and it wasn't good either... mostly just mental abuse saying im worthless not trying hard enough whatever.

sorry but YOU ARE neurodivergent if u got ADHD.
I've never met those nice neurotypicals though :(

yeah i agree with you im not disagreeing. Well take me as an example then having adhd being neurodivergent. I have 2 cats that I love deerly and spoil every day, I've helped rescue and re home around 30 cats and kittens. and I always prefer choosing to do whats kind rather than whats right.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Lots of people don't like confrontations so, they will be diplomatic rather than honest some of the time. People may also not like being put on the spot: 'How old do you think I am? Do I look fat in this? What is your honest opinion of me and our friendship?' are the kind of loaded questions people hate. They don't want to look like an arsehole so, 'white' lies come flooding in.

Are you asking people directly whether they like you? Or, are they just saying this stuff as a matter of course? 'I enjoy your company' I suppose could be said out of the blue but, I wonder if they are saying this in response to a question from you? If you are literally asking them: 'Do you like me?' You are clearly seeking validation. So, they may not have the heart at that point to say: 'Actually, no.' As ineffective as it is, people will lie to spare each other's feelings.

I suppose it's two faced but it may actually mean that they either do genuinely like you or, they at least like you enough to not want to hurt your feelings. If they truly hated you or, didn't give a damn, they'd just outright say it I imagine.

I also doubt that it is that they don't like you. Do you not have some people where you like them but, certain things they do annoy you? Have you never 'bitched' about someone behind their back? To an extent, you're doing it now. Obviously, it's not something we should do. Plus sure, there are certainly some people that don't deserve friendship if they are so disrespectful.

Do you find it easier with neurodivergents then? I think it's fair enough though- if you just feel like all this is hurting you. I avoid most people in general now to be honest.