Discussion NEET / Incel community member in jail for threats and doxxing

[derpyderpins]

MSN

I implore you, if you are struggling and thinking about getting involved with anyone from those places (neets.net, anything with Incel in the title, anything with "looks" in the title, or anywhere those people go) or those communities, don't do it.

Specifically for young men struggling with loneliness, but also for anyone looking for answers in life: there are multiple paths your life can take from this moment, and those communities have a perfect record for sending you to a darker place.

I'm not saying it's easy or that I have the answers or anything like that. And it's very against my instincts to dismiss groups like that, given that I'm a bit of a contrarian, but they're cesspits, and they always have been. It can always get worse, and they'll make it worse, even if you don't think they did or blame the world and society, etc. They joke about rape, they doxx people, they brag about following women around, they never improve, and they all sign off on that behavior even if they aren't actively participating.

Just don't do it. This community isn't perfect but I'm sure you can find some support and empathy if you are patient. Or seriously walk up to literally anyone and they would be better to talk to.

 

[LittleMagician]

MSN

I implore you, if you are struggling and thinking about getting involved with anyone from those places (neets.net, anything with Incel in the title, anything with "looks" in the title, or anywhere those people go) or those communities, don't do it.

Specifically for young men struggling with loneliness, but also for anyone looking for answers in life: there are multiple paths your life can take from this moment, and those communities have a perfect record for sending you to a darker place.

I'm not saying it's easy or that I have the answers or anything like that. And it's very against my instincts to dismiss groups like that, given that I'm a bit of a contrarian, but they're cesspits, and they always have been. It can always get worse, and they'll make it worse, even if you don't think they did or blame the world and society, etc. They joke about rape, they doxx people, they brag about following women around, they never improve, and they all sign off on that behavior even if they aren't actively participating.

Just don't do it. This community isn't perfect but I'm sure you can find some support and empathy if you are patient. Or seriously walk up to literally anyone and they would be better to talk to.

You shouldn't or else they'll make a fictional Netflix show about you

 

[Pluto]

I agree, and I wish that this forum at least had a decisive policy on this issue rather than just evading the topic.

What we are talking about is directly analogous to other forms of radicalisation, such as neo-Nazi movements or Islamist terrorism, which disproportionately utilise disenfranchised young males and channel their grievance against this or that outgroup. One of the red flags is the cult-like ingroup lingo which dehumanises the purported enemy and propagates a victimhood narrative. There is no way for cultists to evolve past it without the fabric of the tribe being dismantled, so hate can be come a way of life.

Of course, there are all sorts of equivalent movements around the world which radicalise young men , particularly in places where ethnic or religious conflict is ongoing. At a larger scale, there is even a theory called youth bulge which correlates wars and conflicts with a proportionally high youth population.

Back to the topic, no community should normalise this sort of societal cancer. I find the arguments of apologists unconvincing.
* The fact that the majority of cultists stop short of engaging in acts of terrorism does not exonerate the collective.
* The identification with the literal definition of the cult's label is analogous to a 'National Socialist' claiming to merely support a planned economy for a nation-state and denying any association with antisemitism.
* The concept of disenfranchised young men having a self-advocacy movement would only work if based on addressing root causes (poor upbringing, lack of male role models, internet addiction, porn culture, poor life choices, economic disenfranchisement, mental illness, etc.) .

 

[Saturn_]

I agree, and I wish that this forum at least had a decisive policy on this issue rather than just evading the topic.

What we are talking about is directly analogous to other forms of radicalisation, such as neo-Nazi movements or Islamist terrorism, which disproportionately utilise disenfranchised young males and channel their grievance against this or that outgroup. One of the red flags is the cult-like ingroup lingo which dehumanises the purported enemy and propagates a victimhood narrative. There is no way for cultists to evolve past it without the fabric of the tribe being dismantled, so hate can be come a way of life.

Of course, there are all sorts of equivalent movements around the world which radicalise young men , particularly in places where ethnic or religious conflict is ongoing. At a larger scale, there is even a theory called youth bulge which correlates wars and conflicts with a proportionally high youth population.

Back to the topic, no community should normalise this sort of societal cancer. I find the arguments of apologists unconvincing.
* The fact that the majority of cultists stop short of engaging in acts of terrorism does not exonerate the collective.
* The identification with the literal definition of the cult's label is analogous to a 'National Socialist' claiming to merely support a planned economy for a nation-state and denying any association with antisemitism.
* The concept of disenfranchised young men having a self-advocacy movement would only work if based on addressing root causes (poor upbringing, lack of male role models, internet addiction, porn culture, poor life choices, economic disenfranchisement, mental illness, etc.) .

Absolutely. I know how a lot of these chan-adjacent/manosphere groups work through past experience, and another thing I don't see a lot of people point out is that the way these people carry themselves is probably enticing and infectious to insecure young men. There is a very distinct smugness and callousness by which these people operate and interact with the world. Everyone not in on these groups' ideologies, especially anyone who responds to them with outrage, is a dumb normie NPC sheep who gives into groupthink and is histrionically obsessed with morality. "You are the soyjak, and I am the Chad." They often have an unfounded superiority complex for the sole fact their opinions are esoteric and hateful, and that they are in on the loop with internet culture. It probably has an allure to -- like I said -- men who are outcasts, socially awkward, and not confident in themselves IRL, to wear this nonchalant and unaffected facade, when they are anything but. They have this "tough, testosterone-laden" outlet online for when real life can't suffice. A lot of this self-righteous incel mentality, the way I see it, is compensatory and "cope," to borrow from their own terminology.

 

[derpyderpins]

"You are the soyjak, and I am the Chad." They often have an unfounded superiority complex for the sole fact their opinions are esoteric and hateful, and that they are in on the loop with internet culture. It probably has an allure to -- like I said, men who are outcasts -- socially awkward, and not confident in themselves IRL, to wear this nonchalant and unaffected facade, when they are anything but. They have this "tough, testosterone-laden" outlet online for when real life can't suffice. A lot of this self-righteous incel mentality, the way I see it, is compensatory and "cope," to borrow from their own terminology.

Ding ding:

Superiority and inferiority complexes are so closely related.

What they want to say is "the fact that I've done nothing in life, accomplished nothing, succeeded at nothing, overcome nothing, contribute nothing, risk nothing, try nothing, etc, actually makes me BETTER than everyone else."

It's a very unhealthy coping cage to avoid the painful truth: "I've got a lot of work to do on myself. I've got a long way to go. I'm not really anything special right now. I've wasted time"

But they form their little group to reinforce the former

 

[Pluto]

 

[maneose]

always on the search for forums full of social outcasts.. but one look at neets.net makes me understand why they are..well outcasts, i guess im sticking to here!

 

[Pikanoose]

Agreed, said disenfranchised young males should leave those toxic forums and come here so we can teach them how to kill themselves instead.

 

[shineboy2k15taliban]

Agreed, said disenfranchised young males should leave those toxic forums and come here so we can teach them how to kill themselves instead.

real shit

 

[lamy's sacred sleep]

always on the search for forums full of social outcasts.. but one look at neets.net makes me understand why they are..well outcasts, i guess im sticking to here!

i went there thinking it was for neets. I was very quickly proven wrong.
it felt like incels.is, like exactly the same but slightly dampened. Had to double check the url.

 

[damienlerone03]

always on the search for forums full of social outcasts.. but one look at neets.net makes me understand why they are..well outcasts, i guess im sticking to here!

this made me laugh. this + i like your profile picture = im following you now

 

[Avril]

Don't forget the farms and anything with -chan on it. Zero dignity in those places.

 

[hang in there]

MSN

I implore you, if you are struggling and thinking about getting involved with anyone from those places (neets.net, anything with Incel in the title, anything with "looks" in the title, or anywhere those people go) or those communities, don't do it.

Specifically for young men struggling with loneliness, but also for anyone looking for answers in life: there are multiple paths your life can take from this moment, and those communities have a perfect record for sending you to a darker place.

I'm not saying it's easy or that I have the answers or anything like that. And it's very against my instincts to dismiss groups like that, given that I'm a bit of a contrarian, but they're cesspits, and they always have been. It can always get worse, and they'll make it worse, even if you don't think they did or blame the world and society, etc. They joke about rape, they doxx people, they brag about following women around, they never improve, and they all sign off on that behavior even if they aren't actively participating.

Just don't do it. This community isn't perfect but I'm sure you can find some support and empathy if you are patient. Or seriously walk up to literally anyone and they would be better to talk to.

I agree, and I wish that this forum at least had a decisive policy on this issue rather than just evading the topic.

What we are talking about is directly analogous to other forms of radicalisation, such as neo-Nazi movements or Islamist terrorism, which disproportionately utilise disenfranchised young males and channel their grievance against this or that outgroup. One of the red flags is the cult-like ingroup lingo which dehumanises the purported enemy and propagates a victimhood narrative. There is no way for cultists to evolve past it without the fabric of the tribe being dismantled, so hate can be come a way of life.

Of course, there are all sorts of equivalent movements around the world which radicalise young men , particularly in places where ethnic or religious conflict is ongoing. At a larger scale, there is even a theory called youth bulge which correlates wars and conflicts with a proportionally high youth population.

Back to the topic, no community should normalise this sort of societal cancer. I find the arguments of apologists unconvincing.
* The fact that the majority of cultists stop short of engaging in acts of terrorism does not exonerate the collective.
* The identification with the literal definition of the cult's label is analogous to a 'National Socialist' claiming to merely support a planned economy for a nation-state and denying any association with antisemitism.
* The concept of disenfranchised young men having a self-advocacy movement would only work if based on addressing root causes (poor upbringing, lack of male role models, internet addiction, porn culture, poor life choices, economic disenfranchisement, mental illness, etc.) .

Absolutely. I know how a lot of these chan-adjacent/manosphere groups work through past experience, and another thing I don't see a lot of people point out is that the way these people carry themselves is probably enticing and infectious to insecure young men. There is a very distinct smugness and callousness by which these people operate and interact with the world. Everyone not in on these groups' ideologies, especially anyone who responds to them with outrage, is a dumb normie NPC sheep who gives into groupthink and is histrionically obsessed with morality. "You are the soyjak, and I am the Chad." They often have an unfounded superiority complex for the sole fact their opinions are esoteric and hateful, and that they are in on the loop with internet culture. It probably has an allure to -- like I said -- men who are outcasts, socially awkward, and not confident in themselves IRL, to wear this nonchalant and unaffected facade, when they are anything but. They have this "tough, testosterone-laden" outlet online for when real life can't suffice. A lot of this self-righteous incel mentality, the way I see it, is compensatory and "cope," to borrow from their own terminology.

You know what, just like literally every forum on the internet I will get banned if I even attempt to respond to these posts in a serious manner, so I will leave you with a song, the meaning of which you will not understand either.
I'd say take a good long look at yourselves in the mirror but you're blind.

 

[derpyderpins]

You know what, just like literally every forum on the internet I will get banned if I even attempt to respond to these posts in a serious manner, so I will leave you with a song, the meaning of which you will not understand either.
I'd say take a good long look at yourselves in the mirror but you're blind.

I'll shoot you a DM so you can help explain for my little blind brain. You won't get banned for DMs

 

[hang in there]

I'll shoot you a DM so you can help explain for my little blind brain. You won't get banned for DMs

I'm not falling for that trick.
How about an allegory.
First of all it is human to scratch an itch. That itch being tribalism and the urge to other "others." So I understand why it feels satisfying to locate a specific "type" of person and nail your thousand theses to their door while you think they are away or unlikely to respond due to the very social pressure you have imposed on the situation. But it is a joke to look at that sort of behavior and claim it is morally sound, reasonable, or acceptable. It doesn't really matter the target you pick, the outcome is the same. You, as a group, with your lackeys, as a social force, flex your "superiority" over another person, and it makes you feel great to do it. Everyone agrees with you. Someone is socially spit upon and it makes you look good in comparison. That is an animal reaction and there is no drilling it out of humanity, comprised of animals.
It feels even better the higher up your approval comes from. It is now okay for you to step on others because the news, the media, the schools, the officials, all agree with you and egg on your behavior. They have come to a consensus on the attributes of the exact type of person which is fair game. And you get to feel great kicking them into the mud and blaming them for all the problems you can think of. You can pat yourself on the ass and know, with assurance from all social actors around you, that you are in the right. So you never have to reconsider your own behaviors or stances. They are reinforced every time you look around yourself.
You can come up with all of the stories you like about why exactly this person deserves the beating you chant the crowd to give them. It doesn't matter, no one checks, facts do not play into this equation. You can stoke as many fires as you like with as many falsehoods as you can conjure, and you get to suck your own dick doing it. It really does feel great. You really feel like you've done something successful. "They, they, them," the broken record plays, and "we, us, I," feel much better for it.
"We need more rules to keep them away, we need more eyes on the streets picking them out of the crowd and throwing them onto the pillory!" The entertainment factor starts to wane and more drama is needed to sate the mass of individuals completely in the right and without any possible misgivings.
"We are the victims, this They has wronged us and must be punished on sight!" The crowd roars and cheers. "This They says they are the victims, we know there can only be one and We are it!" Whistles, clapping.
"To listen to their words is to poison your mind! Nothing they say could possibly hold any value, truth, anything We might possibly empathize with, anything it would even be right and just to CONSIDER!"
Women clutch their pearls and gasps of shock and knowing nods of agreement all around.
"For that reason We have written the Interpretation of any possible sound these gagged wretches may make! Do not believe your eyes! They cannot feel pain, their values are fake, they suck you in with their "logic" and "explanations" and think they can simply get away with it! MONSTERS!"
Cheers.
"MONSTERS!"
Clattering of pitchforks.
"MONSTERS UNDESERVING OF OUR LIFE, OUR COMPASSION, OUR CONSIDERATION! IT FEELS SO GOOD TO SQUISH WHAT WE CALL A BUG."
"Hear hear!" One voice calls louder. "I know these bugs, I know their ways, I know their language, I wear their clothes, I stand among them but I AM DIFFERENT! I AM NOT LIKE THOSE THAT MUST BE SQUISHED! I WILL PAY MY TOLL WITH THE BLOOD OF THOSE LIKE ME AND YOU WILL FORGIVE ME FOR WHAT I SAY THEY'VE DONE!"
A whip, a clatter of a guillotine, the uneasy crowd feels a sharp and momentary sigh of relief knowing something Evil has been cast out, knowing they could never be like Them.

 

[derpyderpins]

I'm not falling for that trick.
How about an allegory.

Never a conversation to lay out the logic lol, because it won't hold up outside the echo chamber. I'll do what I can with the "allegory."

First of all it is human to scratch an itch. That itch being tribalism and the urge to other "others." So I understand why it feels satisfying to locate a specific "type" of person and nail your thousand theses to their door while you think they are away or unlikely to respond due to the very social pressure you have imposed on the situation.

Uhhh, my whole point is that those communities "other" others. Pot kettle, projection, etc, is all this is.

I am always patient with people from all groups. I don't compliment myself much but that's one thing I'm sure of, so your premise is flawed from the start because you've made an untrue assumption about me.

But it is a joke to look at that sort of behavior and claim it is morally sound, reasonable, or acceptable. It doesn't really matter the target you pick, the outcome is the same. You, as a group, with your lackeys, as a social force, flex your "superiority" over another person, and it makes you feel great to do it.

I didn't realize I had lackeys lol I'm much cooler than I thought I guess.

I will admit I think pretty much anyone who has not actively harmed others is superior to the scum in the article, harassing a woman about how he wants to rape her and posting pictures of himself at her house in tandem. I'm willing to take that bold position.

Everyone agrees with you. Someone is socially spit upon and it makes you look good in comparison.

People disagree with me on this issue here all the time because - as I'm doing with you - I reach out to anyone with those mindsets to try and find understanding. I say their view begins with logic but it's stretched to absolutes which no longer hold up to scrutiny. Then you get people insisting on speaking in "allegories" because the specifics will get dismantled easily.

That is an animal reaction and there is no drilling it out of humanity, comprised of animals.
It feels even better the higher up your approval comes from. It is now okay for you to step on others because the news, the media, the schools, the officials, all agree with you and egg on your behavior.

I tend to hate the news and media, I'm more than skeptical of the schools (all opinions of mine which are well documented on this forum). I'm not "stepping" on anyone. I've seen people with promise and good qualities go into those communities and have all the goodness stripped away, so I am recommending not to do it. I also recommend avoiding scientology and the taliban.

They have come to a consensus on the attributes of the exact type of person which is fair game. And you get to feel great kicking them into the mud and blaming them for all the problems you can think of. You can pat yourself on the ass and know, with assurance from all social actors around you, that you are in the right. So you never have to reconsider your own behaviors or stances. They are reinforced every time you look around yourself.

I don't want to keep saying the same things over and over, but it seems like you're talking to some image you have in your head rather than who I am.

You can come up with all of the stories you like about why exactly this person deserves the beating you chant the crowd to give them. It doesn't matter, no one checks, facts do not play into this equation. You can stoke as many fires as you like with as many falsehoods as you can conjure, and you get to suck your own dick doing it. It really does feel great.

I checked before posting. Search his username on NEETS.net and the word "rape", you get dozens of results spanning several pages of him specifically referring to this one real life woman who knew it was happening and asked for it to stop, yet he escalated. There's 0 excuse for that. She could be the worst person ever but it doesn't justify that behavior. I'm not sucking my own dick lol. Again, bold position, I'm really putting myself out there, but I hold myself to a higher standard than "don't stalk and harass and threaten to rape."

You really feel like you've done something successful. "They, they, them," the broken record plays, and "we, us, I," feel much better for it.
"We need more rules to keep them away, we need more eyes on the streets picking them out of the crowd and throwing them onto the pillory!"

I specifically don't want to keep them away. I want them to escape the echo chamber and come talk to me.

The entertainment factor starts to wane and more drama is needed to sate the mass of individuals completely in the right and without any possible misgivings.
"We are the victims, this They has wronged us and must be punished on sight!" The crowd roars and cheers. "This They says they are the victims, we know there can only be one and We are it!" Whistles, clapping.

I'm losing you a bit, but yeah I think the guy in the OP should be punished. I'm pretty damn libertarian but that meets even my criteria.

"To listen to their words is to poison your mind! Nothing they say could possibly hold any value, truth, anything We might possibly empathize with, anything it would even be right and just to CONSIDER!"
Women clutch their pearls and gasps of shock and knowing nods of agreement all around.

Well, I invited and asked for your words. I do empathize, hence this post. Male loneliness is a huge problem and there are legitimate reasons they are struggling.

It just doesn't matter if you say things with a little truth and value then escalate it to extreme absolutes in the name of giving up all hope for improvement.

"For that reason We have written the Interpretation of any possible sound these gagged wretches may make! Do not believe your eyes! They cannot feel pain, their values are fake, they suck you in with their "logic" and "explanations" and think they can simply get away with it! MONSTERS!"
Cheers.
"MONSTERS!"
Clattering of pitchforks.
"MONSTERS UNDESERVING OF OUR LIFE, OUR COMPASSION, OUR CONSIDERATION! IT FEELS SO GOOD TO SQUISH WHAT WE CALL A BUG."
"Hear hear!" One voice calls louder. "I know these bugs, I know their ways, I know their language, I wear their clothes, I stand among them but I AM DIFFERENT! I AM NOT LIKE THOSE THAT MUST BE SQUISHED! I WILL PAY MY TOLL WITH THE BLOOD OF THOSE LIKE ME AND YOU WILL FORGIVE ME FOR WHAT I SAY THEY'VE DONE!"
A whip, a clatter of a guillotine, the uneasy crowd feels a sharp and momentary sigh of relief knowing something Evil has been cast out, knowing they could never be like Them.

I don't have much to say here but I hope it felt good to get that out.

 

[hang in there]

Never a conversation to lay out the logic lol, because it won't hold up outside the echo chamber. I'll do what I can with the "allegory."


Uhhh, my whole point is that those communities "other" others. Pot kettle, projection, etc, is all this is.

I am always patient with people from all groups. I don't compliment myself much but that's one thing I'm sure of, so your premise is flawed from the start because you've made an untrue assumption about me.


I didn't realize I had lackeys lol I'm much cooler than I thought I guess.

I will admit I think pretty much anyone who has not actively harmed others is superior to the scum in the article, harassing a woman about how he wants to rape her and posting pictures of himself at her house in tandem. I'm willing to take that bold position.


People disagree with me on this issue here all the time because - as I'm doing with you - I reach out to anyone with those mindsets to try and find understanding. I say their view begins with logic but it's stretched to absolutes which no longer hold up to scrutiny. Then you get people insisting on speaking in "allegories" because the specifics will get dismantled easily.


I tend to hate the news and media, I'm more than skeptical of the schools (all opinions of mine which are well documented on this forum). I'm not "stepping" on anyone. I've seen people with promise and good qualities go into those communities and have all the goodness stripped away, so I am recommending not to do it. I also recommend avoiding scientology and the taliban.


I don't want to keep saying the same things over and over, but it seems like you're talking to some image you have in your head rather than who I am.


I checked before posting. Search his username on NEETS.net and the word "rape", you get dozens of results spanning several pages of him specifically referring to this one real life woman who knew it was happening and asked for it to stop, yet he escalated. There's 0 excuse for that. She could be the worst person ever but it doesn't justify that behavior. I'm not sucking my own dick lol. Again, bold position, I'm really putting myself out there, but I hold myself to a higher standard than "don't stalk and harass and threaten to rape."


I specifically don't want to keep them away. I want them to escape the echo chamber and come talk to me.


I'm losing you a bit, but yeah I think the guy in the OP should be punished. I'm pretty damn libertarian but that meets even my criteria.


Well, I invited and asked for your words. I do empathize, hence this post. Male loneliness is a huge problem and there are legitimate reasons they are struggling.

It just doesn't matter if you say things with a little truth and value then escalate it to extreme absolutes in the name of giving up all hope for improvement.


I don't have much to say here but I hope it felt good to get that out.

I've already said my bit. If you don't understand what I was trying to say then nothing else I say will be understood either. I would make the effort to respond to your points as I like to argue but I am so fucking tired and drained and in such a deep fucking hole literally all I can think about right now is shooting myself. Thanks for trying to respond seriously.

 

[derpyderpins]

I've already said my bit. If you don't understand what I was trying to say then nothing else I say will be understood either. I would make the effort to respond to your points as I like to argue but I am so fucking tired and drained and in such a deep fucking hole literally all I can think about right now is shooting myself. Thanks for trying to respond seriously.

Well, I'm glad you recognized that I am trying. If you ever want to talk without the "lackeys" around that DM offer is truly serious.

 

[beelzebul]

Agreed, said disenfranchised young males should leave those toxic forums and come here so we can teach them how to kill themselves instead.

this kind of talk is why those people radicalize in the first place. they need people willing to work with them, not imply they should kill themselves.

 

[Hvergelmir]

There is no way for cultists to evolve past it without the fabric of the tribe being dismantled

Your description of the phenomena is spot on, and makes me curious of any insights you might have on how to dismantle the fabric.
I'm personally a proponent of exposing cultists to more 'normal' thinking, giving them a solid foundation to fall back on, when their faith eventually wavers. I don't have any real ideas as to how one could attack the fabric itself, though. What are your thoughts?

 

[Pluto]

Your description of the phenomena is spot on, and makes me curious of any insights you might have on how to dismantle the fabric.
I'm personally a proponent of exposing cultists to more 'normal' thinking, giving them a solid foundation to fall back on, when their faith eventually wavers. I don't have any real ideas as to how one could attack the fabric itself, though. What are your thoughts?

It's a great question. I don't feel like any sort of expert but I can throw a few ideas out there.

Sometimes, it is good for people to go all-out until the whole thing burns itself out. There have been plenty of cult opponents who escaped the clutches of an extremist group organically. Megan Phelps-Roper is an example that springs to mind. When people leave of their own accord, that is the ultimate outcome.

It is also true that mockery and attacks can worsen the situation. It increases the 'us and them' tribalism and strengthens the resolve of cult members. Hence, it is important that communication be tactful.

We must recognise that not everyone will be receptive, and there will always be some who are too far gone. Also, there will always be some legitimate grievances which offer a 'hook' for connecting and having a constructive diaglogue.

There's something I've avoided admitting, but this topic came up recently in a private chat so I'll put it out there. There was a time, many years ago, when I discovered a Canadian MRA commenter and found her work extremely healing.

I grew up in the '80s as the youngest and the only boy in a very dysfunctional family. My 2 older sisters always ganged up on me and bullied me endlessly. The torment was so severe that I ended up with a pathological fear of women and was eventually diagnosed with C-PTSD. I've basically never had relationships and I'm in my mid 40s. However, because the '80s was the age of great women's lib movements (including legendary cultural contributors like Madonna and so on), in addition to the abuse, I was also brainwashed to think that I was deserving of maltreatment, as if I was born in sin for being of the male gender.

So, I gained a lot of healing from hearing the MRA perspective, and I finally learned that woman-on-man abuse is not OK. I'd never heard anyone say that before and it meant the world to me. Granted, the movement is otherwise a bit toxic, and I soon moved on. My current position, as is hopefully obvious, is one of wishing for peace and respect between the genders. I don't think anyone wins when hate propagates. Today, I deliberately avoid the MRA perspective, regardless of any valid arguments they may make, because I prefer the role of being a defender of women, in turn encouraging respect in return.

I want to leave you with a lovely story from the Jewish tradition. A powerful metaphor for these situations.

An emperor was in distress because his son, heir to the throne, had gone completely crazy. The son thought he was a turkey (!). He made turkey sounds all day long, refused to wear clothes and pecked at his food on the floor. Nobody was able to help.

Then one day, a respected Rabbi responded to the emperor's plea for help. He confidently claimed that he could help the young man. The emperor was skeptical but told him to go ahead.

The Rabbi entered the room with the boy and took off his clothes. He began making turkey sounds and pecking at the ground. The son asked him who he was, to which the Rabbi explained that he is just another turkey. For days, the two of them strutted around the room, pecking at the ground and making turkey noises.

Then one day, the Rabbi put on some pants. The son asked what he was doing and the Rabbi said it is a good idea and he should do the same. He did so. Now, they were both at least wearing pants. In later days, the Rabbi put his top back on, and the boy did the same. Next, he started eating at the table like a human. And so on.

In time, the son was completely recovered from his turkey disease and the emperor was overjoyed.

 

[leandra]

Didn't the og owner of sasu run an incel forum?

 

[bankai]

I'm not falling for that trick.

Quite smart lol.

 

[Apathy79]

Can't add much to what's been said. Although I do have a somewhat hot take that the more extreme strands of modern feminism are essentially the equivalent. Any gender claiming victim status on a broad scale and using it to justify hating the other is the same to me.

What they want to say is "the fact that I've done nothing in life, accomplished nothing, succeeded at nothing, overcome nothing, contribute nothing, risk nothing, try nothing, etc, actually makes me BETTER than everyone else."

It's a very unhealthy coping cage to avoid the painful truth: "I've got a lot of work to do on myself. I've got a long way to go. I'm not really anything special right now. I've wasted time"

Outside the better than everyone else part linked to this discussion, the rest of this hits home.

 

[TheKurdishLoner]

Ding ding:

Superiority and inferiority complexes are so closely related.

What they want to say is "the fact that I've done nothing in life, accomplished nothing, succeeded at nothing, overcome nothing, contribute nothing, risk nothing, try nothing, etc, actually makes me BETTER than everyone else."

It's a very unhealthy coping cage to avoid the painful truth: "I've got a lot of work to do on myself. I've got a long way to go. I'm not really anything special right now. I've wasted time"

But they form their little group to reinforce the former

Tell that to a balding guy

 

[derpyderpins]

Tell that to a balding guy

It was addressed to everybody.

I guess I don't follow... do balding people think they're better than everyone?

 

[TheKurdishLoner]

It was addressed to everybody.

I guess I don't follow... do balding people think they're better than everyone?

No i just think you're underestimating how hard some people can have it. Its not just about ignoring those forums and the trurth. You can't just ignore how winners are born in life and are not made.
The thing is no matter what you do blackpill like the gravity will always hit you hard again.

 

[derpyderpins]

No i just think you're underestimating how hard some people can have it. Its not just about ignoring those forums and the trurth. You can't just ignore how winners are born in life and are not made.
The thing is no matter what you do blackpill like the gravity will always hit you hard again.

Well, I won't dismiss that concern, because I think you're right to worry that people underestimate other's hardships. I don't want to represent that I have all the answers, or that I can tell anyone how to make things better. What I can say is that those communities make it worse.

I advocate for "Misery Minimization." Those places maximize misery.

There are grains of truth in the ideology, and people not directly affected by those truths may fail to give them sufficient consideration. It devolves from there into nonsense, though, and easily refuted black-and-white thinking. I hope this community can be a place where discussion can take place without so much nonsense.

 

[TheKurdishLoner]

Well, I won't dismiss that concern, because I think you're right to worry that people underestimate other's hardships. I don't want to represent that I have all the answers, or that I can tell anyone how to make things better. What I can say is that those communities make it worse.

I advocate for "Misery Minimization." Those places maximize misery.

There are grains of truth in the ideology, and people not directly affected by those truths may fail to give them sufficient consideration. It devolves from there into nonsense, though, and easily refuted black-and-white thinking. I hope this community can be a place where discussion can take place without so much nonsense.

I do agree. Ever since i have found the black pill i have never been as happy as i used to be. But i have been participating in the forum and especially incels.is they do make jokes about rape but the vast majority of them will never really do any crimes they're not nearly as dangerous as people them out to be and i honestly never saw a post about anyone there following women.

Anyways all in all the bp can indeed be demotivating and it has been to me but even if i stopped visiting those forums I'd still be upset and depressed asf seeing my 13 years old cousin beating the shi out of me in chess despite my tiring efforts.

English isn't my first lang btw so sorry if the choice of word is not wise.

 

[derpyderpins]

I do agree. Ever since i have found the black pill i have never been as happy as i used to be. But i have been participating in the forum and especially incels.is they do make jokes about rape but the vast majority of them will never really do any crimes they're not nearly as dangerous as people them out to be and i honestly never saw a post about anyone there following women.

The "following" was just an example I saw on NEETS.net when prompted to learn a little more about those groups. Stood out to me because it was a prominent member who has an account here and was banned on another forum for doxxing sasu members. But quite possibly an outlier. They don't get out much on average.

Do you think they don't commit the crimes because they're just joking and actually guided by morals, or because they don't have the opportunity to do what they joke about?

Anyways all in all the bp can indeed be demotivating and it has been to me but even if i stopped visiting those forums I'd still be upset and depressed asf seeing my 13 years old cousin beating the shi out of me in chess despite my tiring efforts.

Well, and I guess that's on point for what I'm talking about. There are different levels for being depressed when hit with envy and self-doubt like that. Like how at the Dr's office they ask you on a scale of 1-10 what your pain is, same thing for depression, both in magnitude and time. You could get mildly upset and depressed for a couple hours, get depressed for a few minutes afterwards before accepting and decreasing the depression's intensity, or you could get very depressed and let it fester for days. I say this with two decade's experience with depression and feeling inadequate. Not that it makes me an expert or anything, but I am obsessive and track things.

Of course, it would be great if you could accept the defeat with a smile and have an anime-protagonist attitude about redoubling your efforts and how the loss only motivates you and you're happy for your cousin, but this is real life, we aren't saints, and its okay to be imperfect and get frustrated from time to time.

English isn't my first lang btw so sorry if the choice of word is not wise.

Would not have noticed. Your English seems good to me.