Discussion MDMA and the Final Threshold – When Therapy Becomes the Portal of Departure

[TheVanishingPoint]

Much has been said in praise of MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD and treatment-resistant depression — and often with good reason. In some cases, it reopens mishealed wounds, softens trauma, and restores a sense of humanity.
But in others — quieter, less celebrated — it can become the prelude to a definitive departure.

I'm referring to individuals who have lived for years with chronic suicidal ideation, not out of hope, but because of fear, hesitation, or a sense of obligation toward others.
MDMA, at certain doses, doesn't eliminate pain — it eliminates fear.
And once fear is gone, nothing remains to stop the act.

Reports and anecdotal evidence suggest:

100–125 mg: standard therapeutic effect — emotional opening, relaxation, possible cathartic release.

150–180 mg: in vulnerable individuals, existential anxiety dissolves; calm euphoria may emerge. Suicidal thoughts may appear without emotional charge.

200–250 mg or more: complete erasure of the survival instinct. The person may enter a state of cosmic fusion, ego dissolution, and full acceptance of non-being.

> "I felt complete. I could go. It was time."




At that point, the shift from ideation to determined suicide can happen quietly, peacefully, and without distress.
No panic. No despair.
Only clarity and surrender.

This is not overdose. It's not abuse. It's a calmly prepared exit, made finally possible.

Those administering MDMA in clinical trials must understand this.
They must distinguish those seeking healing from those who are merely waiting for the neurochemical permission to leave.


Open question to the forum:
Have you encountered, read, or experienced anything similar?
Do you believe this possibility is taken seriously enough in therapeutic contexts?

Let's speak without filters. Truth, like death, should not be censored.

 

[rs929]

This is very interesting. I wonder if it applies to psychedelics as well

 

[whatishope]

So, I had a couple of experience with MDMA, and it was in a period when I was highly suicidal. I didn't take it therapeutically so I cannot really say the doses. For me, the effects were quite different from what you wrote. All I felt was emotional opening, relaxation, total dissipation of all anxiety, and, during my first time, I had a sort of religious experience kind of thing. Like I had some revelations. I also felt different sounds in different parts of my body. It's really cool. I felt pretty happy the next couple of days.

From my experience and what I've seen from other people, unless abused, MDMA is 100% guaranteed to induce a level of euphoric state.
So, I had a couple of experience with MDMA, and it was in a period when I was highly suicidal. I didn't take it therapeutically so I cannot really say the doses. For me, the effects were quite different from what you wrote. All I felt was emotional opening, relaxation, total dissipation of all anxiety, and, during my first time, I had a sort of religious experience kind of thing. Like I had some revelations. I also felt different sounds in different parts of my body. It's really cool. I felt pretty happy the next couple of days.

From my experience and what I've seen from other people, unless abused, MDMA is 100% guaranteed to induce a level of euphoric state.
So, I had a couple of experience with MDMA, and it was in a period when I was highly suicidal. I didn't take it therapeutically so I cannot really say the doses. For me, the effects were quite different from what you wrote. All I felt was emotional opening, relaxation, total dissipation of all anxiety, and, during my first time, I had a sort of religious experience kind of thing. Like I had some revelations. I also felt different sounds in different parts of my body. It's really cool. I felt pretty happy the next couple of days.

From my experience and what I've seen from other people, unless abused, MDMA is 100% guaranteed to induce a level of euphoric state.

 

[divinemistress36]

I would love to get into a ptsd study for this

 

[kamyzyak]

No way I can imagine myself cbt ing under MDMA, this stuff is just synonymous with euphoria AND happiness. This really is an amazing characteristic of MDMA, it not only makes you feel euphoric, but also gives you a profound feeling of happiness, as if there are no more problems in life and something very good has just happened. In this state, there is a desire to live forever, but not to die, because life seems beautiful.

Also the dosage range seems rather weird, a 125mg dose of MDMA will be enough for the vast majority of people for strong euphoria and anxiety elimination. Further increases in single dosage are generally considered impractical, as side effects start to become more severe with little increase in the intensity of the desired effects (single dose of 250 mg of pure MDMA is really a lot, likely not deadly, but not a good time either, especially for inexperienced users). At high doses, and especially in overdose, MDMA can indeed cause hallucinogenic effects like fractals, visions of non-existent objects and entities, auditory hallucinations, but I've never experienced or heard of anyone experiencing ego dissolution and similar things typical of hallucinogens like LSD and shrooms after taking MDMA.

 

[rs929]

I wonder if that mood improvement actually lasts though, or you crash afterwards and thats all

 

[vitbar]

Every time I've done mdma I experienced intense euphoria and love. Life and beauty become the same. I can't imagine wanting to die when like that. Existence is almost luxurious. It's similar to mania.

I wonder if that mood improvement actually lasts though, or you crash afterwards and thats all

You don't stay at those heights and doubt anyone sober would want to 24/7. The crash can be unpleasant. Makes me feel like I've missed a couple of nights sleep. Plenty do find longer term benefit