you got me there. to me, it seems there is a problem when the "recovery" section is hosted on the same page as ctb discussions. *not* that I think this place should be unwelcoming to the "recovery" folks, whatever that means. and I'm very much aware that everyone is entitled to their own opinion - on life and on death.
"opinions are like assholes, everyone has one." philosophies too, are personal, and personal only. it's a matter of whether someone's merely stating their personal experience of things, or if they're tryna gag you with that.
IMHO much of the "hidden pro-lifers", the way you referred to them, could very well be in a state of being passively suicidal. that suicidality is egodystonic for them.
for many others, though, it's egosyntonic. but it's outside their (the previous group's) range of experience, and thus cognition, so there comes the pathologizing, and sometimes outright villifying of our existence.
it no wrong that my suicidality is egosyntonic. it just is. I welcome it. the way I welcome egodystonic experiences of suicidality as well. many people opt into thinking that suicidality has to be some "foreign, alien stuff injected to your head". but how could they prove that their thoughts are really theirs? do you truly *own* every bit of your cerebral experience? is the "ego" truly separable from "whatever things your brain's been telling you"? how do you even discern between the two, and knew that your judgement is correct? *who* is making that discernment?
is this existence integral and gestalt, or split between "your ego" and "the cerebral environment" that the ego is born into?
even then, the ego would interact with and accomodate to its environment.
the brain is meant to work for us. every piece of perception, cognition, emotional reaction. they mean something. and "you" are nothing more than a tiny sense-of-self area in your brain. it puts stuff into the context past experience, creates a internal illusion of volition, processes the information coming to it, but not controlling how that information came to it and how it was represented.
the brain communicates. sense-of-self is part of the machineware that assists its operation. it's but an illusion that "I" am thinking. the thinking areas is where the brain runs on its own, and where sense-of-self overlaps. and presents it on the accessible layers of consciousness.
I still have no idea why people think anyone really "recovers" from suicidality. every decision people take is egosyntonic - "to follow the path of no resistance". if anyone "recovered", it's cuz they now find better meaning than what suicide offers. and that's not something we can squarepeg ourselves into. I didn't create no meanings but I can identify with them when they come.
TL;DR: wall of text concerning neuroscience and philosophy.
