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I like debating! (and i'm bored) So feel free to debate me on anything. For starters i'm a Christian and i'm also pretty conservative politically speaking. 2 pretty uncommon (and disliked) perspectives on this site, so i've gathered. That should probably give you a place to start if you're also bored and up to debate.
 
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I like debating! (and i'm bored) So feel free to debate me on anything. For starters i'm a Christian and i'm also pretty conservative politically speaking. 2 pretty uncommon (and disliked) perspectives on this site, so i've gathered. That should probably give you a place to start if you're also bored and up to debate.

The consensus in mainline Christianity and Islam is that suicide is an offense against God, as no one owns his own life. What do you think of that? I'm more curious of your view than looking to argue, by the way.
 
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I'm more curious really, rather than up for debating. May I ask- how do you perceive God? As a loving, caring father figure or as a vengeful, wrathful ruler? Are you able to love God as well as worship them or, is it more a fearful respect?

I'm assuming most Christians do perceive God as good but, how do you square the not at all fair ways the world has been created with that? Do you think those elements came from elsewhere? The devil? In which case- Why hasn't God destroyed the devil? Is it because they aren't strong enough to or, are they happy for the devil and evil to exist? Presumably so that humans can choose and then, be punished for making the wrong choice? Or, did God create sin in order that we could choose it and be punished? Isn't life a trap in that sense? A test?

How do you see heaven? Do you think it really is for eternity? Do you want to live for eternity? If you believe some family members are there, will they be there 'warts and all'? As in- if they had negative traits to them, will they also be present in heaven? If not- will they really be them anymore? What do you suppose people do in heaven? Are non believers really worse than people who commit heinous crimes but then repent?
 
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The consensus in mainline Christianity and Islam is that suicide is an offense against God, as no one owns his own life. What do you think of that? I'm more curious of your view than looking to argue, by the way.
I hate it. Just because i'm Christian, doesn't mean I agree with everything about it, of course. I really do think Christanity is why western society has such a phobia of suicide.
I'm assuming most Christians do perceive God as good but, how do you square the not at all fair ways the world has been created with that? Do you think those elements came from elsewhere? The devil? In which case- Why hasn't God destroyed the devil? Is it because they aren't strong enough to or, are they happy for the devil and evil to exist? Presumably so that humans can choose and then, be punished for making the wrong choice? Or, did God create sin in order that we could choose it and be punished? Isn't life a trap in that sense? A test?
I perceive God as loving figure. More as a friend than a father (probably because of Jesus), even if he is our creator. There isn't really any fear involved in it for me (outside of fear of consquences for my actions of course). I think the questions you're getting at for your 2nd paragraph is theodicy -why does God allow suffering and allow people to cause and do it? I think it's just because God, evidently, really respects our free will so doesn't intervene aganist literally anything we do on Earth/in this life. So naturally as a result of that people do really bad stuff. I don't really think about "The Devil" much at all or think he does much of anything really, so I couldn't really answer questions about him. I guess that's a long way of saying idrk why the Devil has any influence/exists. I don't think of life as test at all, sure maybe there's a little bit of that invovled but that's mostly just a thing for Saints I think. I think this life is more about us experiencing good and bad and (hopefully) choosing to do good, especially for others. Because, I think God strongly values us choosing to love and love him out of our own free will. Why that has to be done in this crappy place? Who knows really. This post is getting pretty long to so I'll answer your third paragraph in another post
How do you see heaven? Do you think it really is for eternity? Do you want to live for eternity? If you believe some family members are there, will they be there 'warts and all'? As in- if they had negative traits to them, will they also be present in heaven? If not- will they really be them anymore? What do you suppose people do in heaven? Are non believers really worse than people who commit heinous crimes but then repent?
I think, because we are all different, we all will expereince "heaven", or at least percieve it, it radically differently from individual to individual. This of course is not a mainstream or traditional view whatsoever but very few of mine are lol. To me living for eternity sounds awful but I understand that living in heaven is probably a lot different than living here. To me, when Jesus says "follow me and have eternal life" it is a pretty awful pitch but Ik that he didn't mean life like life here or death as blissful nothingness. It's a funny experience as Christian on this site because I look at atheisim, ie just not exisiting when we die/go brain dead, as the ideal near perfect way I wish things were but unrealistic and I see Christanity as the hard reality of life. I think people won't really be any different from themselves in heaven, just the best version of themsevles without any sin invovled. Basically like if nothing bad ever happened and all always made the perfect decsions. So no, I don't think we have any truly "negative traits" in heaven and yes I think that's so still truly us. I no idea what we will do in heaven, probably depends on the person. Non-believers aren't any worse whatsover than any one who happens to believe in God/Christ, if the question you're getting at is faith based justification, ie faith determing who goes to heaven or not, you must first understand total depravity which I believe in. That is the belief that nobody deserves heaven, perfect as it is, because of our sins against others. Therefore nobody would go or is deserving of heaven without Jesus first opening in the way. However, I should point out that Gehenna (what Jesus called "hell", he never taught of hell anything like say the Catholic or Baptist idea of it), isn't anything like a place of eternal torture Christians made out it to be. God couldn't be all-loving, like he is, if he just tortured people, epsecially the people he made, forever. I think Gehenna could even be a pretty good place for "good" people just not realtive to a perfect heaven. I also really like Origen's idea of apoktastasis which is basically a sort of more complicated version of Christian unversalism. I hope this answered your questions :)
 
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