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I been considering using laughing gas, combined with drowning
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Thanks for the information
"so that your tongue does not sink in" = to avoid the risk of being suffocated if your tongue blocks your throat while you're unconscious. also, google translate didn't get the method quite right - "Kremer" is the whipped cream siphon you use with N2O recharges that usually come with the package.
If you lose consciousness due to falling on your back, it may happen that your tongue falls into the back of your throat and you may choke. Therefore, it is recommended to lie on your side. Yes, I tried N2O with cylinders. The first time I inhaled the gas, I forgot that oxygen is not allowed to be inhaled, so I did not really feel anything. The second time I did everything correctly, it felt like a broken mirror, everything was swimming in front of my eyes, a slight noise in my ears, my heart was beating hard, and there were strange sensations in my hands. But I did not pass out, because I could not hold my breath for long. The third time I inhaled 2 cylinders of N2O, and after that I passed out without even noticing it. The most important thing is to get rid of the oxygen in your lungs, then you will quickly lose consciousness. As for drowning, I do not know how you could combine them. Unless you inhale a large amount, and then fall into the water.
Thanks for the details. Appreciated!!!
This method looks really simple and reliable. Thank you for the infoI recommend reading this literature:
I advise you to try N2O on balloons. First, you need to remove a large amount of oxygen from your lungs. Once you do this, inhale the gas and then hold your breath, the main thing is not to inhale the oxygen. Be sure to lie on your side so that your tongue does not sink in.
My method was to use an air cushion, but I was wrong and the cushion is not suitable for this role at all. Now I have another idea, I am working on the technical part of it. That is, connecting the mask and the bag. As an option, you can use Creamer, cylinders, a bag, electrical tape. The principle of operation is as follows: Fill the bag with gas depending on what kind of bag, of course, the more the better. Then put it on your head, and wrap the bag around your neck with electrical tape. If you do everything right, it should work. I have not finished my version of the mask and bag yet, I need to think about how to implement it technically.
There is another problem: if the ambient temperature is high, the gas inside the bag will expand, so you should leave some space in the bag. Then this should not be a problem. When you see that the bag has inflated enough, you simply release the siphon lever, and the gas will stop coming out.
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As an option I see 3 possible options. I am currently working on 3
Thanks a lot. This at least gives me a basic idea what to expect
No matter what the temperature of ambient air is, the gas released from a cream dispenser is always colder than ambient air, the airways, and the lungs, which will heat N2O, causing its expansion.
In case of using just a bag over head, it's better to prefill it with the N2O gas up to the full capacity and then remove some part of gas right before sealing around the neck. This method should reduce the amount of air entered the bag and remained there (without displacing it back to ambient atmosphere) to bare minimum.
Falling on the back is not a necessary condition for choking by the tongue.
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The main cause of loss of consciousness from inhaling N2O at high concentrations is displacing oxygen from the lungs, that produces rapid drop in blood oxygen saturation level, which in turn results in hypoxia, leading to blackout. In order to regain consciousness, you'd have to oxygenize your blood by inhaling oxygen at a sufficient concentration (that normally happens if you stop breathing N2O and/or holding your breath while lying on a bed). When you're submerged in water, you don't have access to breathable oxygen and regaining consciousness is unlikely.
Testing would be quite useful for determining the right moment of jumping into water. Usually you don't feel anything special during a few seconds after inhaling N2O. Then there is a short period of clouding of consciousness that eventually leads to complete blackout.
Glad to hear your input. You seem very intelligent and knowledgeable
i can't say much on the amount of gas to fill the bag you have as that would require measurements, but isn't the point of N2O exit bag to lose consciousness and then suffocate from CO2? correct me if i'm wrong but it shouldn't be possible to regain consciousness that was lost due to hypoxia if there isn't enough oxygen in your environment, so you shouldn't be able to perceive pain or discomfort while suffocating
Do you think this applies the same for drowning? If I put myself in a position to easily fall into the water after passing out.
if you manage to ensure your head will stay in the water after passing out, you will very likely drown without noticing much as a couple of reflexive "water breaths" will be enough for your lungs to stop taking in oxygen which is the only condition for the person to wake up.
Falling into water after losing control over your body (which commonly happens shortly before loss of consciousness) doesn't look like a good idea for me, because you lose control over your respirations too and some amount of air can be accidentally inhaled then, worsening the progress of anesthesia. I think, it would be better if submerging happened while holding breath with the lungs filled with N2O.
I doubt that you can wake up without a sufficient oxygen delivery to the brain. Theoretically, hypoxia may cause dilation of the cerebral blood vessels, and maybe there is a possibility that brain could better obtain oxygen from blood with low oxygen saturation then. This is the only mechanism I know that could reverse the hypoxic effect to some degree.
I wouldn't guarantee complete unawareness, since you probably start to inhale water while your unconsciousness is still shallow, but it's probably noticeably better than experiencing drowning being in full consciousness. I think, the best tactics would be making 3 maximally deep inhales of N2O (it's likely that you won't be able to carry out more than that because of fainting) and hoping for the best. If you're too anxious about the procedure, this may worsen your feelings later in the process of CTB.
Yes, your respirations will likely start even before you lose consciousness completely. There are high chances of laryngospasm occurring at this stage, because your airways become especially sensitive to stimuli. Then inhaling of water may be suspended till relaxation of the corresponding muscles happens (probably upon reaching the 3rd stage of anesthesia).
You probably can have a bad dream about drowning, but waking up is unlikely, in my opinion.
7 x 8g chargers contain the amount of gas that would expand to approximately 30 liters of N2O at room temperature.
N2O is known to suppress feelings of suffocation, there are researches about this effect (you can find them if you inspect the links above kindly provided by other user).
You're the first person who reported nausea from N2O here. How much did you inhale and for how long? By the way, you'd likely experience similar nausea from sodium nitrite poisoning (which you consider as an alternative method) as well, because it induces hypoxia for a long period of time before LOC, that you can't shorten much, in contrast to the case of gas asphyxiation which can produce LOC in less than a minute and the stage of surgical anesthesia in 1 - 3 minutes.
The nuance with tongue was mentioned as a safety precaution for testing the effects of N2O before the actual CTB procedure (in case if you don't want to die while testing the gas).
The nausea happened a little later, I would say half an hour after using it so it's not a problem if I use it for CTB because I will have already lost awareness while with SN I would have it.
So how many chargers did you use to cause it and how much time were inhalations performed in total?
3 refills, the total inhalation time of all three added together I would say not even 5 minutes, it's the first time I used it and I wasn't very practical, in fact the first refill was half wasted, like.
Thanks so much for detailed explanation. Appreciated!!!
