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noname223

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I am not sure. I think the people were cyncial about politics/polity/policies pretty early on. But it wasn't this intense compared to nowadays. The internet culture contributes to it. Don't believe in anything. All of them are corrupt. It doesn't matter. Don't vote - they are all the same. And other lies.

I think this political cynicsm is worse in the US compared to Germany. But we are approaching US levels. I think the majoritarian political system of the US doesn't help. The two party system is very flawed. I won't speculate what will happen at the next major election or 2028 at this point.

There is a degree where skepticism is very healthy and the right thing when dealing with politics. In contrast, don't vote it doesn't matter isn't a good advice though. Panel samples show rich and highly educated particiapte more often in elections than poor people. And these people already rig the system in favor of their positons.

I am no political activist. I considered to join a party but eventually didn't do it. And I would never help in door to door campaigns and stuff like that. I would only do that if I had own political ambitions and not because I sympathize with a party. But this year for the first time in my life I joined political protests. And with my friends it felt pretty good.

I don't think my contribution will change anything. Statistically, it is more likely to die when you vote at an office than that your own vote makes a difference in a national election. But it feels good to contribute to something. For something where my values align.

And in Germany there is literally only one major extreme party. And as long you don't vote for that party you are contributing to something good.

We are in very dark times politically. But it always can become worse. And it can become better. I think maybe the US hit a rock bottom and this is why people are losing hope. Germany hasn't reached that state yet. But it might happen at the next major election. Friends of me are seriously considering to leave the country.

I can see why people are demoralized. Especially, people from the left. It is easy to destroy a country, but to build it back up is way harder and takes more time. I am interested about the outcome of the mid-terms. Maybe people voted for Trump in 2024 because they disliked the status quo. And now Trump is the status quo. Who knows?

I don't have much hope for a leftwing utopia. I am also not a socialist. I am a socialdemocrat. I would prefer the Scandinavian model where I live. And even if some policies make my life a little bit easier I am glad about that. But the right-wing disruption might will end all of that. People are catastrophizing the current state of my country. I think this is part of the narrative tech libertarians and right-wingers want to indoctrinate. I am certainly not a de-growth sympathizer. And there are parts where I think leftwing ideas don't align with my posiitons. (Whether de-growth is a lefwing policy is debatable). There are people in Germany though who claim it is good the economy isn't growing- more economic growth isn't good for the CO2 emissions. I think such positions are ridiculous. But painting the current state in the worst possible way helps one agenda. The agenda of the party that wants to destroy the system. And on social media this is very popular and so many people fall for it. People shit on Germany all the time. Some of them openly sympathize with the AfD. Some of them distance themselves from the AfD. But this narrative is pushed by the far-right, media outlets who want to see the AfD in power. Even if people don't like the AfD they push this false narrative. But people don't see through that. It is pushed on social media so much. Partly also in mass media. The narratives of the far-right are more powerful and the overton window shifts to the right continously. Leftwingers aren't good at playing hardball. But I am also very thankful I live in Germany and not in GB or the US. Poor people get treated even worse there.
 
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Forever Sleep

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I think it's sensible to question and not necessarily trust. My cynicism is at least partly motivated by lazyness though. Politics bores me. I feel kind of sickened listening to a lot of the people in power too.

I kind of feel guilty that I don't better inform myself because I do actually agree with you. We should take an interest and the opportunity to make an input in how our countries are governed. Even if it's to use our vote to try to ensure the very worst (in our opinion) person doesn't get in.

That said, I suppose I feel like my foot's (hopefully) already in the door to leave this world. I selfishly need to make sure I can get by plus, those closest to me. But, I'm not exactly young and, I don't have children. I suppose, I just think- if you younger generations want to live in this world and, if you need to prepare it for your own offspring- good luck. I'll leave you to it but, I want the hell out!

I suppose maybe because, whatever government has been in here- shit's happened but, it's all felt about the same! I wonder how many of our problems are even solvable now. I suppose I'm lucky not to be in a demographic that feels overly persecuted but again- that seems to happen no matter who's in! They just blame all the cuts etc. on the mess left behind by the previous government. So yeah- I truly wouldn't even know who to vote for now.
 
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Every generation thinks that its circumstances are exceptional compared with the past, but I agree that we are seeing something unusual with the political climate, and the extreme cynicism is part of it. As you said I think it's in part a consequence of the internet culture influence. Politics have become a social network where the best meme wins (regardless of its truth). And what surprises me the most is that we are not less smart or cultured than before, but when it comes to matters that are subject to political opinion we become mindlessly blind. Like an illness.

I also am looking at this a little bit from afar, watching the show with an astonished look, which I suppose is also a cynical stance and makes me part of the loop.
 
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Not a direct reply but I will say for myself, I'm just done with politics. Both sides want to take your guns. The immigration is a joke, they will just keep importing cheap labor from India if not Mexico. But instead of bringing in valuable highly skilled workers, they will only continue to import the undesirable. We are in a global depression with a K shaped economy. Look up the Cantillon Effect - An Essay on Economic Theory, describing many things that are taking place in our economy. People point at the politics but ultimately it's something to be expected: Ever increasing amounts of separation between the rich and poor, making the living standard ever increasingly difficult to give to the average everyday person. Underlying economic forces that are playing out. You have GDP growth increasing due to incredible consumer demand. You have two different economies operating at the same time. The elite top 10-20% are doing very well. Ground veal is being sold more often now as an alternative to beef. The national cattle supply is the lowest it's been since 1951. They recently slaughtered a bunch of calves to help bring the prices down but it will only be a temporary fix and then they can get worse again. A similar economic event happened just before WWII, they slaughtered a bunch of calves.







I think Chicago has some of the most amazing architecture in the world and I think San Fransisco is one of the most interesting cities in the world. But you see this old architecture and these beautiful parks and they're like ancient Roman ruins that people just wander through today. And then something scurries by in the shadows. And not maintaining them. Like these great monuments, these ruins of a once great civilization now long gone. But I suppose this could be said of any major city in the western world. But North America is in a societal decline. I was in South Africa recently for my friend to renew his passport. And if you are living in America, you are being robbed. Every block was beautiful Dutch women, beautiful Indian women, beautiful African women. The food was 100 times better. Granted they have like 40% unemployment. My friend from Vietnam is getting her MBA in CA and she was visiting me. She was telling me how people in Vietnam still save the US dollar in a safe at their house and consider it to be an investment. She said when she was a kid it was $100 USD = 1.5 million Vietnam Dong. But today it's $100 USD = 2.5 million Vietnam Dong. She wondered why young Vietnamese people still want to come here so badly.
 
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Dejected 55

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I am often cynical... but I wouldn't say it is a "good" quality. I think a good quality to have is to question most things. You can't say "question all things" because that's where the flat-earthers come in... and you end up rejustifying all the things that everyone long ago agreed were real... But, certainly, it pays to question new things until they are firmly established, and question old things that are just "accepted" without definitive proof.

But... being a cynic means you have a bias to disbelieve. I don't think that is healthy, even as I do it myself sometimes. IF you question things with an open mind, you are prepared to affirm your own belief OR accept new data that changes your belief. When you are a cynic, you are theoretically open to new ideas BUT your bar to accept change is much higher as you go in assuming everything is a lie being told to you.

The healthier approach is to approach every questionable situation without prejudice to anything other than previously well-established fact.

As in... it's fair to question someone who says "Oxygen is optional for human life" on the spot because we have too much history that proves otherwise. BUT, when someone comes up with a new theory on how gravity might actually work, being a cynic closes your mind to possibilities that might hold back advancement of society.

Once an idea reveals itself to be absurd, it's fine to toss it aside... but try not to be cynical... I say even as I am cynical.
 
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Hvergelmir

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May 5, 2024
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...and question old things that are just "accepted" without definitive proof.
To be fair, the shape of the earth is one of those things that most people accept, without reviewing any proof.
The flat earthers are also a good example of a community that's quick to invalidate most proofs.

At least the shape of the earth can be proven. When the same conflict between believers and doubters arise in politics, things get much harder.
Is it even possible to differentiate reasonable doubt from the unreasonable, without being cynical?
 
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To be fair, the shape of the earth is one of those things that most people accept, without reviewing any proof.
The flat earthers are also a good example of a community that's quick to invalidate most proofs.

At least the shape of the earth can be proven. When the same conflict between believers and doubters arise in politics, things get much harder.
Is it even possible to differentiate reasonable doubt from the unreasonable, without being cynical?
I mentioned the flat-earthers for the reason that they are an example of some wasted effort in questioning already established things... so not everything needs to be questioned after a point. I mean, for fun and giggles, sure... but on a serious basis, there's zero reason to waste energy arguing that the earth is or isn't flat... because it isn't. That's done.

But there are all sorts of things that can be argued... and it would be fair to do so... and that's just fact... with things like politics, we aren't always talking about traditional facts. Like, it isn't a "fact" that chocolate pudding is good. Some people like it, some don't, its subjective... BUT if someone came along and wanted to ban chocolate pudding... why? Granted, this is an absurd example... but we see absurd things argued in government all the time. People want to ban a thing or arbitrarily elevate some other thing or make it a policy to do things a specific way when the way either isn't the best way OR there are multiple okay ways to do a thing.

My larger point, though, was that being a cynic is not a good position to argue from. Being a cynic is a bias against believing anything. This makes it harder to accept when you are wrong, and harder for someone to prove to you that you are wrong. Being a cynic might seem beneficial when it uncovers a thing that should be uncovered... but the rest of the time it makes things unnecessarily difficult.

That's what I meant... questioning things and authority is fine... and good many times... but try and question objectively and not subjectively as much as possible... try not to let cynicism color your discussion.
 
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