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SomewhatLoved

SomewhatLoved

Bringing out the Dead and Searching for the Living
Apr 12, 2023
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I work in healthcare. Throughout my schooling and practice, everyone I know has told me that MAID (medical assistance in dying) is extremely peaceful. All the nurses, doctors, paramedics, and social workers I know surrounding it agree that euthanasia is easily the most peaceful way to die and the least traumatic for family and friends. When you control how you die, it takes the anxiety, anticipation, and fear out of it. I think people tend to fear what they cannot control. In MAID, you get to plan a last day, be surrounded by loved ones, and you are given medications which take away any/all pain. If someone is accessing MAID due to physical illness their death may actually be more physically comfortable than their life, as they are given pain medications which will stop their ailment from harming them.

My point here is that anyone I know who is around MAID in a professional setting agrees that it is beneficial. This is including healthcare workers both on the conservative and liberal side politically. Like many things, I think the hatred towards MAID is based out of a lack of understanding. People don't know how it works, what medications are used in it, or even sometimes what it really is. They just imagine a doctor killing people and think that sounds wrong. In medicine there are 5 ethical "pillars" - three of them are patient autonomy, benevolence (doing good), and non-maleficence (not doing harm). I would argue that if someone is living in pain (whether physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually) and wants to die, by assisting them in that you are respecting their autonomy, doing good, and not harming them. Harming them would be insisting that they keep living even when they don't want to.

People will hopefully realize this eventually. Medicine is about evidence and doing what is proven to be best for people, and a lot of the time that is letting them die. It's already commonplace for people to make decisions regarding what type of care they want ("advanced directives", "goals of care" etc), and euthanasia is the next step in that development. If it's ok for people to opt out of CPR or for a doctor to stand by and watch a patient die when they may be able to prolong their life, then how is a doctor helping someone rest when they are suffering seen as so evil.

If you look at history progress has always been resisted. Minimum wages, worker's rights, democracy, gay marriage, affirmative medicine for transgender people were all fought against (and in some cases still are). However, I don't doubt eventually they will be accepted. MAID, euthanasia, assisted dying, or whatever you would like to call it is in the early stage of being legally adopted, but it's there. Canada, Switzerland, Belgium have it - even if only in certain circumstances. I know it will spread eventually though, and I think eventually pretty much everyone will have it beyond those who die as a result of physical injury, accidents, or people in certain religious sects who are forbidden to die by suicide by their faith.
 
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WhatCouldHaveBeen32

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Oct 12, 2024
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That's wishful thinking but hopefully it comes true!
 
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timechained

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Apr 15, 2025
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If you're right it will most likely be well and truly after I am already dead.
 
Pale_Rider

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Apr 21, 2025
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I'll just guess that the reasons to get assistance from maid will be very narrow.
 
Linda

Linda

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I work in healthcare. Throughout my schooling and practice, everyone I know has told me that MAID (medical assistance in dying) is extremely peaceful. All the nurses, doctors, paramedics, and social workers I know surrounding it agree that euthanasia is easily the most peaceful way to die and the least traumatic for family and friends. When you control how you die, it takes the anxiety, anticipation, and fear out of it. I think people tend to fear what they cannot control. In MAID, you get to plan a last day, be surrounded by loved ones, and you are given medications which take away any/all pain. If someone is accessing MAID due to physical illness their death may actually be more physically comfortable than their life, as they are given pain medications which will stop their ailment from harming them.

My point here is that anyone I know who is around MAID in a professional setting agrees that it is beneficial. This is including healthcare workers both on the conservative and liberal side politically. Like many things, I think the hatred towards MAID is based out of a lack of understanding. People don't know how it works, what medications are used in it, or even sometimes what it really is. They just imagine a doctor killing people and think that sounds wrong. In medicine there are 5 ethical "pillars" - three of them are patient autonomy, benevolence (doing good), and non-maleficence (not doing harm). I would argue that if someone is living in pain (whether physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually) and wants to die, by assisting them in that you are respecting their autonomy, doing good, and not harming them. Harming them would be insisting that they keep living even when they don't want to.

People will hopefully realize this eventually. Medicine is about evidence and doing what is proven to be best for people, and a lot of the time that is letting them die. It's already commonplace for people to make decisions regarding what type of care they want ("advanced directives", "goals of care" etc), and euthanasia is the next step in that development. If it's ok for people to opt out of CPR or for a doctor to stand by and watch a patient die when they may be able to prolong their life, then how is a doctor helping someone rest when they are suffering seen as so evil.

If you look at history progress has always been resisted. Minimum wages, worker's rights, democracy, gay marriage, affirmative medicine for transgender people were all fought against (and in some cases still are). However, I don't doubt eventually they will be accepted. MAID, euthanasia, assisted dying, or whatever you would like to call it is in the early stage of being legally adopted, but it's there. Canada, Switzerland, Belgium have it - even if only in certain circumstances. I know it will spread eventually though, and I think eventually pretty much everyone will have it beyond those who die as a result of physical injury, accidents, or people in certain religious sects who are forbidden to die by suicide by their faith.
I don't like the idea of giving control over an important part of my life to the medical profession. I would rather go out my own way, even if it is more difficult. (I would consider the methods used in MAID if - and only if - there were no doctors involved in any way, and I could do it all myself.)
 
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imOK

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Apr 10, 2025
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The burocracy of my country will make sure this will never be a thing. Even if it will be in the law books the entire process will be so complicated that it'll be easier, quicker and less torture to just die of old age.

If they don't just put mentally ill people to death again. We did it before. Some of us kinda have that vibe again in recent years...
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I think religion plays a part in preventing it. For people who sincerely believe that only God should take life and that suicides risk hell, they may be thinking they are saving souls- as it were. Not saying I agree with them or think they have the right to impose their beliefs on everyone but, I imagine it's a factor. I imagine a fair amount of our leaders and decision makers are religious.

The other concern I believe is if they open the programme up to be available to more 'vulnerable' people. From our points of view, I expect most people here welcome them considering people with mental illness. However, I imagine there are groups of people that may well become targets almost. The unemployed, the sick, the elderly. Basically- people who are taking more money than they are putting in. If our governments further cut benefits to these groups of people while simultaneously opening up assisted dying programmes, I think the concern is these people will be nudged towards it. It would be very insiduous too. They would still be making the choice to die but, they'd be doing it in part because they had little to no support to live.

I agree with you entirely though. I think it's frankly barbaric that we keep people alive to watch them rot against their will. I suspect assisted dying will be introduced but only for the terminally and chronically ill I would think for some time. It becomes very complicated to include other people. Personally, I agree with other members. I don't intend to leave it to medical 'professionals' to judge when my life has become shit enough. I want out before I experience debilitating illness. Besides, if six months is all they intend to shave off my time here (terminally ill,) I wonder if it's even worth it.
 
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dead dav

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Feb 27, 2025
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My view is it should be allowed after all if your pet is ill and in pain you would put it out of its misery and that's called humain so I really don't see the difference
 
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divinemistress36

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Jan 1, 2024
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In the USA it will only be for terminally ill, never for mental illnness/chronic illness they believe we should have to suffer
 
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Apr 2, 2025
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A lost person dream come true if it comes true.
 
bankai

bankai

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Mar 16, 2025
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Ideally, every person would die by this rather than old age, because old age at some point causes us to lose enough of our faculties that we don't want to continue.
 
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