Venting I can’t deal with this pain

[sserafim]

I have really bad period cramps right now, to the point where I'm bedridden with a heating pad. I don't know why pain exists and there's really no use or reason for this kind of pain. I almost threw up due to how painful my cramps were. They hurt so bad. It's not fair that I have to deal with this dumb shit every month

 

[ForgottenAgain]

I know what you mean, there was one time I had that level of period pain and threw up. It was hours of crying due to how intense the pain was, couldn't sit still, nausea.

Thankfully it only happened once or twice during the first year of getting my period then it stopped. If for you it is a regular occurrence, there is medication that you can take to minimise that pain. Contraception can work with that also. It's worth talking to a doctor about as that level of pain can be very debilitating and mentally harmful.

 

[Arahant]

I feel compassion for you, and wish for you to never feel that way again.
Having had a lot of chronic pain, I know how awful it is to feel helpless against meaningless pain.

Reading stories in forums for the carnivore diet, many women report completely painfree periods after a few weeks of adapting.
I don't blame you if you think that sounds freaky crazy, but that's what they say.

The Ray Peat inspired crowd have mentioned using bioidentical progesterone (progest-E) to relieve it when needed.
Exactly what doses and when, or if it's right for you, or even legal where you live without prescription, I don't know.

 

[kinderbueno]

I'm so sorry you have to suffer like this :( I hate how society expects us to function normally despite being in such intense pain

 

[divinemistress36]

Have you thought about getting on birth control ? I have nexplanon its a bc implant in my arm and It stops my periods its great

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Midol is nothing more than rebranded Aleve. Just a tidbit of trivia.

 

[juna]

Evolution really did not favour us women. Wish we could just lay eggs instead, everything would be so much easier. No pregnancy, no periods, no painful birth...

 

[Lady Laudanum]

Evolution really did not favour us women. Wish we could just lay eggs instead, everything would be so much easier. No pregnancy, no periods, no painful birth...

If we lay eggs, porn would be a bit more interesting to watch…..

 

[possessed]

If we lay eggs, porn would be a bit more interesting to watch…..

Lol..........why?

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

i should keep quiet. male here. have 0 input. very sorry. but maybe if you get to my age; while there will be other pains at least the cramps will go away?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Reading stories in forums for the carnivore diet, many women report completely painfree periods after a few weeks of adapting.
I don't blame you if you think that sounds freaky crazy, but that's what they say.

If a bunch of people told you that their periods became pain free after going on a diet where they eat nothing but shit, would you start recommending a shit diet to others?

First off, self-reports don't necessarily mean anything. A lot of these reports might just be cherry-picked or may even be false and are just being pushed in order for influencers to garner more followers and views.

Secondly, even if we decide to just believe these claims, how do we even know if it's really the diet that is responsible for this? What of this is just a coincidence? What if this is due to them cutting out so many things from their diet that now the one thing that caused those issues isn't being consumed by them anymore? Who is to say that the diet itself is the cause of their now pain-free periods?

Also, we don't even know the cause of @sserafim painful cramps. She needs to see a gynecologist, not go on a shitty diet commonly touted by weirdos that sun bleach their assholes and drink raw milk.

 

[Steff1337]

I'm a male and don't know that much about your situation, but I wish that you in some way ease your pain.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Hopefully your pain eases soon. I'm sorry for what you have to go through. Being a woman sounds awful

 

[Arahant]

If a bunch of people told you that their periods became pain free after going on a diet where they eat nothing but shit, would you start recommending a shit diet to others?

Of course I would never think eating shit is a good idea.
If eating the exact nutrition that humans have been eating for at least 300.000 years is the case, then yes I might think that could be a good idea.
Stable nitrogen isotope testing proves this is in fact the diet that humans evolved on; 70-100% of calories from meat.
Considering this your analogy is at best moot, if not inflammatory.

First off, self-reports don't necessarily mean anything. A lot of these reports might just be cherry-picked or may even be false and are just being pushed in order for influencers to garner more followers and views.

Could be. The opposite could also be true.

Secondly, even if we decide to just believe these claims, how do we even know if it's really the diet that is responsible for this? What of this is just a coincidence?

Placebo and nocebo can not be ruled out in the case of one person, but if it was me, I would happily take placebo over excruciating pain.

What if this is due to them cutting out so many things from their diet that now the one thing that caused those issues isn't being consumed by them anymore? Who is to say that the diet itself is the cause of their now pain-free periods?

That is kind of the point of an elimination diet, which the carnivore diet is.
Just so happens it's the only one I know to be readily available and sustainable long term for most people.
I never claimed meat in itself is magic. I think most will agree cutting out junk is more important.

Also, we don't even know the cause of @sserafim painful cramps. She needs to see a gynecologist.

I would agree, it's common sense.
Diagnosing the cause is important if possible, and she did say she would go to one in a different thread, didn't she?
Just so happens your average gynecologist will never ever mention anything about nutrition, so I went out of my way to give her that option.

not go on a shitty diet commonly touted by weirdos that sun bleach their assholes and drink raw milk.

You are funny =)
Never occurred to me assholes could be bleached brighter.

Are we of the same mind in so far as we wish for sserafim to be relieved of pain?
So if a 30 day trial of a nutrition change which is known to be harmless (at least for that period) has an unknown percentage of potential success, what arguments against that remain?

If you care half as much about the scientific method and safety as your comment implies, then I am sure you can see the logic in trying it temporarily.
If it doesn't work, nothing lost by going back.
If it does work and is not tried, severe pain likely remains for a long time.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Of course I would never think eating shit is a good idea.
If eating the exact nutrition that humans have been eating for at least 300.000 years is the case, then yes I might think that could be a good idea.
Stable nitrogen isotope testing proves this is in fact the diet that humans evolved on; 70-100% of calories from meat.
Considering this your analogy is at best moot, if not inflammatory.


Could be. The opposite could also be true.

Placebo and nocebo can not be ruled out in the case of one person, but if it was me, I would happily take placebo over excruciating pain.

That is kind of the point of an elimination diet, which the carnivore diet is.
Just so happens it's the only one I know to be readily available and sustainable long term for most people.
I never claimed meat in itself is magic. I think most will agree cutting out junk is more important.

I would agree, it's common sense.
Diagnosing the cause is important if possible, and she did say she would go to one in a different thread, didn't she?
Just so happens your average gynecologist will never ever mention anything about nutrition, so I went out of my way to give her that option.

You are funny =)
Never occurred to me assholes could be bleached brighter.

Are we of the same mind in so far as we wish for sserafim to be relieved of pain?
So if a 30 day trial of a nutrition change which is known to be harmless (at least for that period) has an unknown percentage of potential success, what arguments against that remain?

If you care half as much about the scientific method and safety as your comment implies, then I am sure you can see the logic in trying it temporarily.
If it doesn't work, nothing lost by going back.
If it does work and is not tried, severe pain likely remains for a long time.

A placebo wouldn't actually fixed the issue. There would still be reports of pain and the underlying issue won't be solved. Most cases of painful cramping during periods are due to medical conditions, like endometriosis and PCOS. Certain conditions, like PCOS, are also connected to an increased risk of other health issues, such as endometrial cancer. Diets, like the one you are suggesting, could actually worsen her condition, especially if it turns out she has something like PCOS.

The carnivore diet, to my knowledge, does not have any data backing up these self-reported claims and the argument of "what if it is true" isn't fucking good enough. By this logic, we could apply to the shit diet example I used. You are recommending a potentially harmful diet to someone. You are not a gynecologist nor are you a dietitian.

Also, how much humans ate meat in the past is a heavily debated topic. Even when looking at modern hunter-gatherer tribes, meat consumption varies quite a bit. Our diets would likely have differed depending on multiple factors, such as geographic area, time period, and culture.

According to some writers [2], primitive Homo sapiens were omnivores who ate much more vegetables than meat. Others [3] claim that animals were consumed more significantly than vegetables, especially lean meat and fish. Tribes that live today as hunter-gatherers (HGs) and in conditions similar to the Paleolithic period include 30% animal-origin products and 70% vegetable-origin products, and they feed almost entirely on animal items if they live in extremely cold areas [4,5], implying that animal-origin food was a part of the diet of primitive Homo sapiens.

Just eliminating most foods from your diet all willy-nilly is risky and, along with that, the point that I'm making is that it wouldn't prove that the carnivore diet worked. If someone were to drop everything and become a fruitarian and have the same result, then does that mean that fruitarianism is also the cure for her issue? No, it wouldn't. The elimination thing doesn't highlight the fact that the diet works, it just means that your diet has become so limited that whatever was causing said health problem isn't being consumed anymore. However, these diets aren't good for you and working with a dietitian, someone who is qualified to help you in this area, would probably give you better results.

You are recommending a diet that most medical professional would roll their eyes at. This isn't a case of "science" this is a case of someone trying to argue that someone else try this diet they found out about on TikTok.

 

[Lady Laudanum]

Lol..........why?

Self explanatory lmao

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

i should keep quiet. male here. have 0 input. very sorry. but maybe if you get to my age; while there will be other pains at least the cramps will go away?

Should have stopped at 'I should keep quiet'. Holy cow, way to be dismissive. No idea why men ALWAYS weigh in on women's health to offer their perspective, solutions, mansplaining and dismissive 'you could have it worse'.

Get back to us when you're on the floor of your bathroom withering in pain because it feels like a monster is trying to claw through from your uterus out your chest.

For the woo woo food solutioning, could we have ONE place online where people can vent and we create a space where they're allowed to discuss their pain without assholes trying to solve it?

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

For the woo woo food solutioning, could we have ONE place online where people can vent and we create a space where they're allowed to discuss their pain without assholes trying to solve it?

what are you talking about? not trying to solve anything at all. i said i did not understand and i was sorry. i guess you have bad periods as well.

 

[Arahant]

A placebo wouldn't actually fixed the issue.

Placebo agent, no, placebo (power of mind) effect, yes it might cause a permanent cure.

Certain conditions, like PCOS, are also connected to an increased risk of other health issues, such as endometrial cancer. Diets, like the one you are suggesting, could actually worsen her condition, especially if it turns out she has something like PCOS.

Given that PCOS correlates with insulin resistance, and not eating carbohydrates reverses that (carnivore is zero carb), this does not make sense.
Given that cancer cells only can derive energy from glucose and glutamine, and carnivore is near zero glucose, it would not contribute to cancer. In fact people with stage 4 cancer are getting their disease into remission, sometimes partial or full, with ketogenic or carnivore diets.
This is known as metabolic therapy and based on the work of professor Thomas Seyfried.

The carnivore diet, to my knowledge, does not have any data backing up these self-reported claims and the argument of "what if it is true" isn't fucking good enough.

If you demand rigorous scientific evidence in the form of randomized controlled trials, there is hardly any nutritional changes left that one can recommend, as most nutritional studies are epidemiological, meaning they send out a questionnaire once a year and ask what you had for breakfast the last few months. Not exactly reliable data by any stretch of the imagination.

By this logic, we could apply to the shit diet example I used.

Completely disagree here, digestible nutrition and shit are categorically different things, and the comparison makes zero sense.

You are recommending a potentially harmful diet to someone.

Zero serious evidence or even reasoning to suggest a short term trial of 30 days would be harmful.
You demand I should provide pristine evidence, yet you are fine with making baseless claims yourself?

Also, how much humans ate meat in the past is a heavily debated topic.

Not to paleoanthropologists, they have zero serious doubt, not past the 13000 year mark, before agriculture became a thing.
If you look closely at these studies claiming otherwise, they often consider ancestral diets to be part of the neolithic era, which is more recent.

Just eliminating most foods from your diet all willy-nilly is risky

Again long term, sure, can be dangerous from malnutrition.
Short term though? I genuinely don't see how.
I don't see what could be involved that is more dangerous than agonizing pain, especially to a person in here who is likely suicidal.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Placebo agent, no, placebo (power of mind) effect, yes it might cause a permanent cure.

Given that PCOS correlates with insulin resistance, and not eating carbohydrates reverses that (carnivore is zero carb), this does not make sense.
Given that cancer cells only can derive energy from glucose and glutamine, and carnivore is near zero glucose, it would not contribute to cancer. In fact people with stage 4 cancer are getting their disease into remission, sometimes partial or full, with ketogenic or carnivore diets.
This is known as metabolic therapy and based on the work of professor Thomas Seyfried.

If you demand rigorous scientific evidence in the form of randomized controlled trials, there is hardly any nutritional changes left that one can recommend, as most nutritional studies are epidemiological, meaning they send out a questionnaire once a year and ask what you had for breakfast the last few months. Not exactly reliable data by any stretch of the imagination.

Completely disagree here, digestible nutrition and shit are categorically different things, and the comparison makes zero sense.

Zero serious evidence or even reasoning to suggest a short term trial of 30 days would be harmful.
You demand I should provide pristine evidence, yet you are fine with making baseless claims yourself?

Not to paleoanthropologists, they have zero serious doubt, not past the 13000 year mark, before agriculture became a thing.
If you look closely at these studies claiming otherwise, they often consider ancestral diets to be part of the neolithic era, which is more recent.

Again long term, sure, can be dangerous from malnutrition.
Short term though? I genuinely don't see how.
I don't see what could be involved that is more dangerous than agonizing pain, especially to a person in here who is likely suicidal.

First off, the best foods for PCOS includes non-starchy vegetables and fruits, not meat, especially red-meat. A carnivore diet wouldn't be helpful to those who suffer from PCOS. I'm saying this as someone who has PCOS. There is a reason why it isn't uncommon to find people with the disorder who are vegans or vegetarians, not the other way around.

Secondly, the rest of your post is just you rambling on about pure nonsense in a desprete effort to further promote your stupid dietary recommendation. This is just becoming pathetic at this point.

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

what are you talking about? not trying to solve anything at all. i said i did not understand and i was sorry. i guess you have bad periods as well.

It's directed to the person dispensing bullshit food information in the thread

Placebo agent, no, placebo (power of mind) effect, yes it might cause a permanent cure.

Do you know how unstable it looks to tear apart someone's post like this? The OP isn't looking for your nutritional advice. And you need to be removed from the board for spreading crap like Seyfriend's work, which has been debunked (https://www.skepticalraptor.com/ske...y-to-treat-it-despite-what-the-internet-says/). No idea what planet where you only get a survey once a year. So much of what you say sounds promising but ends up sounds unsubstantiated so I think it would be appropriate at this point to have you share your credentials - what medical training and peer reviewed work you've conducted.

Don't give me the line by line response - I'm going to ignore your ranting. I'll continue to flag your posts. Respect that the OP is looking for a safe space to share her point of view and doesn't need you.

 

[Arahant]

@Lookingtoflyfree @EvisceratedJester @sserafim

I think I owe you three an apology. At least you three.
I have been caught up in mood swings and feeling frozen up, and I didn't really notice how combative my tone must have come across.
That was never my intention, and I am sorry if it caused you any trouble or triggering.

Never fully occurred to me that this was a venting thread, or what that meant.
I read up on it and will try to be more empathic and less problem solving in the future.

I will admit to having this flaw, when I see someone in serious pain and I think I have or know something that might help, I simply can not shut up about it.
Now I only want you to do what is right for you, works for you, and obviously I can't know fuck all about that as an online stranger.
All I wanted was to offer a suggestion, not campaign for steaks to solve all health problems.
It is true I have known people in my life to cure period pains with carnivore, but that is no guarantee it works for everyone.

I encourage you to place me under ignore/block if you haven't already, so my ramblings wont bother you in the future.

May everryone enjoy perfect health and find peace.

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

Look up im

@Lookingtoflyfree @EvisceratedJester @sserafim

That was never my intention, and I am sorry if it caused you any trouble or triggering.

Never fully occurred to me that this was a venting thread, or what that meant.

Yup well look up impact vs. intention theory. In the meantime blocking works for me :)

 

[Whydid]

Omg this thread