Is it me or are honor based societies just prone to more suicides? Most westerners joke that East Asians take this to the extreme and yet even if you look at western history, suicide before Christianity was rife among the Romans as well. They also regarded honor to the highest degree so much so that emperors, generals and soldiers who were dishonored in many ways commit suicide. Seems shame and honor go hand in hand with suicide. How is honor defined in "honor" based societies and what makes people go to the extreme of killing one's self when doing something "dishonorable"?
StateOfMind
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You may have answered your own question. If one has done something dishonorable then maybe its time die. Doesn't seem that extreme to me.
Not really. I'm still baffled why people in honor based societies take their own lives so easily.
Why? There is still the possibility of turning things around.
How so?
StateOfMind
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Well at least from my point of view. Maybe I have just come to terms with death..
rundschlinge78
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I wish European society would have such an accepting culture. The only thing I dislike about killing myself is the pain others will feel.
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Seems legit, if you lose respect for yourself life seems pointless, I know that's how it is for me
Nelos
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Was looking for a thread like this and hopefully I can revive it.
The answer is yes and It's mostly because of how masculine suicide is. Another great example of a suicide that's portrayed and remembered as honourable is the Tunisian man who started the Arab Spring by setting himself on fire, he was slapped in the face by a female police officer whilst trying to do his job and that, combined with the overall autocratic system interfering with his work, made him snap. If this happened in Europe his actions would be explained away as mental illness but in the Arab and Muslim world he is an icon.
I wish I was born outside of Christendom and the west for this reason. Being a man in the West is emasculating. My mind and consciousness is stained with the pacifist nonsense that centuries of Christianity has instilled in my culture.
I would have been better off being born a Japanese or Korean who throws themselves off a highrise without societally enforced guilt or like the Muslims, Tibetan lamas and Vietnamese monks who have all self immolated in protest.
One last point, I read in Jonathan Haidts book (the coddling of the American mind) that we live in a "dignity" culture where life is seen as intrinsically dignified as opposed to honour cultures where irreparable insults are perceived to occur. This in conjunction with the aforementioned Christian mind is a recipe for, what most other cultures would consider, a masochistic - slavish -passive (or feminised / emasculated) culture; people would inevitably sink to new and lower depths of degradation and humiliation if they believed, as we're thought, life is always worth living regardless of circumstance. This is a mental landmine for us who intuitively believe in the ethical viability of suicide.
The answer is yes and It's mostly because of how masculine suicide is. Another great example of a suicide that's portrayed and remembered as honourable is the Tunisian man who started the Arab Spring by setting himself on fire, he was slapped in the face by a female police officer whilst trying to do his job and that, combined with the overall autocratic system interfering with his work, made him snap. If this happened in Europe his actions would be explained away as mental illness but in the Arab and Muslim world he is an icon.
I wish I was born outside of Christendom and the west for this reason. Being a man in the West is emasculating. My mind and consciousness is stained with the pacifist nonsense that centuries of Christianity has instilled in my culture.
I would have been better off being born a Japanese or Korean who throws themselves off a highrise without societally enforced guilt or like the Muslims, Tibetan lamas and Vietnamese monks who have all self immolated in protest.
One last point, I read in Jonathan Haidts book (the coddling of the American mind) that we live in a "dignity" culture where life is seen as intrinsically dignified as opposed to honour cultures where irreparable insults are perceived to occur. This in conjunction with the aforementioned Christian mind is a recipe for, what most other cultures would consider, a masochistic - slavish -passive (or feminised / emasculated) culture; people would inevitably sink to new and lower depths of degradation and humiliation if they believed, as we're thought, life is always worth living regardless of circumstance. This is a mental landmine for us who intuitively believe in the ethical viability of suicide.
The Muslims always get angry over the smallest thing. They're always so angry.
Lol suicide before Christianity was rife. It was rife in the first several hundred years of Christianity too coz peasants realised they'd rather be in heaven than doing backbreaking labour for their lord. And the church was like...Wait. Wait! Not like that! And made up this bs rule about how suicide is a terrible sin.
The Muslims built suicide into the religion in a creative way
Being moslem must be a wet dream for a suicidal. They'll hook you up with whatever you want to be a martyr
Swami Vivekananda's Suicide / final meditation is also interesting, same goes with yogananda although both were big guys whose hearts were ticking timebombs....I really ought to be careful with my language lol, "ticking timebomb" and I've said "landmine" in another post in this thread, all after praising a Muslim. I'm sure the NSA's algorithm is going "ballistic" (couldn't help myself) right about now.
I always laugh so much at how Orwellian our world is
I've been in so many airports across the globe and no matter what our diversity globohomo propaganda says , they ALWAYS search the moslems. It's even more apparent outside the USA. In many countries that are more in tune with the reality of how the moslems are they search them so much. I'm talking poor countries that can't afford to mess around
Any Muslims on here want to chime in regarding how you experience suicidal thoughts. I imagine if there are Muslims on here they've been thoroughly westernised considering they're using the internet and have thought liberally enough about the subject of suicide to infer that there's a pro choice community on the web so I guess that they'd be more like us than their cousins back in Pakistan or wherever.
Any ancient Roman time travellers on here lol?
I forgot about the Aztecs playing basketball or whatever and the winning team gets sacrificed to the gods, that's heavy.
Any ancient Roman time travellers on here lol?
I forgot about the Aztecs playing basketball or whatever and the winning team gets sacrificed to the gods, that's heavy.
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