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Forever Sleep

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I was always a bit of a Tom boy. I rejected a lot of feminine expectations from a young age simply because they didn't appeal. I didn't like pink or pretty cloths. I found dresses and all that paraphernalia far too restrictive. I think my family wanted me to dress better but, they didn't overly push me. (Thankfully.)

I want to make a point of saying at this stage, that I'm not trying to criticize people who do genuinely enjoy all that stuff. This is simply my experience.

I suppose as I grew, that coupled with probably feminist feelings continued the sentiment. I personally found it unpleasant and uncomfortable to wear make up, high heels, tight fitting clothes. It was something I rejected for a long time.

On the one hand, I found it made women physically handicaped. A lot of feminine gear really isn't as practical. Fine if you don't need to be doing practical things but, an added restriction if you are. (Again, my experience, not everyone's I realise.) I also saw it as complying to an expectation to please men. (Not that they don't have those expectations placed on them too.) Even if that's 'natural' although actually, in the animal kingdom, it's often the male that needs to be more striking/ attractive. Anyway though, it's just not something that appealed.

Then, I had the most insane limerent crush on a guy and, everything changed. He was obsessed with thin women. He used to go on about 'zero percent body fat'. (I don't think that's even possible!) So, I lost over 5 stone. Perhaps I should have been grateful- I suppose it made me healthier, (although, it may ultimately have lead to gallstones.) I could certainly do with shifting a few stone again now! (I put it all back on.)

But, I also tried to dress better, in a more feminine way. I wore make up. The final straw was him admiring this woman's nail polish colour. I swore to myself I would never paint my nails. My job is practical for a start, it's near impossible growing out nails. But, I even relented and did that.

I tried to emulate an image I had no time for, (again- not criticizing those who do) all to impress him. It didn't work ultimately and I eventually regressed back to my 'normal' self. I suppose I felt weak and hypocritical for doing it all though. I suppose I don't really agree with conforming to (what I found an) uncomfortable and repressive image. I perhaps don't entirely regret it. I learned from the experience.

A friend's husband happened to make a comment once I was back to my regular, overweight and scruffy self, that I had looked really good. Not in some dodgy, infidelity way. More in a- I think you should return to that. That just further cemented it though. That even fairly nice, considerate guys judge and value your appearance first. I replied that I may have looked nicer but my mind was so screwed up back then. My Dad will do the same. Most discussions about female friends will include an appraisal of how attractive or unattractive they are. Again, not in a bastard, cheating way. More that it is a primary, if not the primary factor for judging.

This likely will have come across as a sexist rant but, that's because I've (obviously) only experienced it from a female perspective. I'm sure that men also find themselves jumping through hoops to impress women. Plus, any type of gender or sexuality. I expect we all feel the pressure to comply to beauty standards.

What are your experiences? If you're happy to share. Have you consciously made changes to attract someone? Did it work? Did you enjoy the process? Did you prefer who you became, if you made it that far? Or, did you start to resent the expectations and changes you made? I guess the ideal is that we are able to be entirely ourselves and still be attractive to someone. I suppose it must happen sometimes!
 
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BloodyBunno

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Jan 9, 2025
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I've not really made too many bodily changes, but I always adapted my behavior. Trying to be more quiet, keeping down my voice, decreasing or increasing the amount of compliments I give and how heartfelt they were. It still happens and as a result i feel like I don't know who I am any more.
 
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DivineSpark

DivineSpark

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Feb 9, 2025
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I dont want to change myself for sake of others. I want to be myself and enjoy it.
 
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Alreadylate

Member
Jun 8, 2025
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I was always a bit of a Tom boy. I rejected a lot of feminine expectations from a young age simply because they didn't appeal. I didn't like pink or pretty cloths. I found dresses and all that paraphernalia far too restrictive. I think my family wanted me to dress better but, they didn't overly push me. (Thankfully.)

I want to make a point of saying at this stage, that I'm not trying to criticize people who do genuinely enjoy all that stuff. This is simply my experience.

I suppose as I grew, that coupled with probably feminist feelings continued the sentiment. I personally found it unpleasant and uncomfortable to wear make up, high heels, tight fitting clothes. It was something I rejected for a long time.

On the one hand, I found it made women physically handicaped. A lot of feminine gear really isn't as practical. Fine if you don't need to be doing practical things but, an added restriction if you are. (Again, my experience, not everyone's I realise.) I also saw it as complying to an expectation to please men. (Not that they don't have those expectations placed on them too.) Even if that's 'natural' although actually, in the animal kingdom, it's often the male that needs to be more striking/ attractive. Anyway though, it's just not something that appealed.

Then, I had the most insane limerent crush on a guy and, everything changed. He was obsessed with thin women. He used to go on about 'zero percent body fat'. (I don't think that's even possible!) So, I lost over 5 stone. Perhaps I should have been grateful- I suppose it made me healthier, (although, it may ultimately have lead to gallstones.) I could certainly do with shifting a few stone again now! (I put it all back on.)

But, I also tried to dress better, in a more feminine way. I wore make up. The final straw was him admiring this woman's nail polish colour. I swore to myself I would never paint my nails. My job is practical for a start, it's near impossible growing out nails. But, I even relented and did that.

I tried to emulate an image I had no time for, (again- not criticizing those who do) all to impress him. It didn't work ultimately and I eventually regressed back to my 'normal' self. I suppose I felt weak and hypocritical for doing it all though. I suppose I don't really agree with conforming to (what I found an) uncomfortable and repressive image. I perhaps don't entirely regret it. I learned from the experience.

A friend's husband happened to make a comment once I was back to my regular, overweight and scruffy self, that I had looked really good. Not in some dodgy, infidelity way. More in a- I think you should return to that. That just further cemented it though. That even fairly nice, considerate guys judge and value your appearance first. I replied that I may have looked nicer but my mind was so screwed up back then. My Dad will do the same. Most discussions about female friends will include an appraisal of how attractive or unattractive they are. Again, not in a bastard, cheating way. More that it is a primary, if not the primary factor for judging.

This likely will have come across as a sexist rant but, that's because I've (obviously) only experienced it from a female perspective. I'm sure that men also find themselves jumping through hoops to impress women. Plus, any type of gender or sexuality. I expect we all feel the pressure to comply to beauty standards.

What are your experiences? If you're happy to share. Have you consciously made changes to attract someone? Did it work? Did you enjoy the process? Did you prefer who you became, if you made it that far? Or, did you start to resent the expectations and changes you made? I guess the ideal is that we are able to be entirely ourselves and still be attractive to someone. I suppose it must happen sometimes!
I used to be a bit feminine around 10 years back, I used to dress very well and had lots of clothes and shoes... Then I decided to become masculine to fit in. I didn't fit in but started to attract straight guys, there's like some kind of hidden truth bt straight men that I discovered when I ''changed'' my personality. I became traumatized after finding about this, and I hate going outside since then... I think the main reason why I wanna ctb is because I'm homosexual and don't feel attraction for gay men, and there are tons of bisexual men but they just want sex. Everytime I go out I have a bad time when men look at me, I usually see someone that I like a lot and I see this person is also attracted to me but but he is probably straight or bisexual, and then I spend the rest of the day traumatized... I din't have relationships for the last ten years, and also have problems to make friends since I'm not the typical guy. But this thing is very hard for me and the main reason why I wanna die. It doesn't matter how hard I try to think about a solution it is all in vain... If anyone has the same problem it could be great talking about it.
 
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Apathy79

Apathy79

Elementalist
Oct 13, 2019
804
In first year college, I struggled with women for a few months and put it down to my looks and attitude. So became determined to get more tanned and stronger, and lose some fat. It was actually kind of a useful motivator on the physical side. But I also made personality changes, which made me not myself around attractive women. And they worked disturbingly well (all that PUA stuff before it became mainstream). That meant I could attract girls, just not the stable ones I really wanted. It also briefly made me lose respect for women because of the behaviours that attracted them (an error on my part) so I eventually abandoned that mask, and lost the girls it attracted, but soon found the woman who would later become my fiance.

My general feeling is if the changes you feel like you have to make feel like becoming a better version of yourself in order to attract or keep someone, then they're all good, in fact they're a great motivator. If you have to make changes you feel are lessening you to attract or keep them, they're probably not worth making, and if not making them does lead to losing the person, they probably weren't the one for you.
 
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darksouls

darksouls

Mage
May 10, 2025
533
I think you should accept a person as they are
a good heart is more important than an attractive appereance
 
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