Help hanging as a thin person

[non_sense]

I'm 5'2 and 105lbs (47kg) and i'm worried if i do a partial hanging it won't be enough weight. should i do a full hanging instead or put weights in my pockets or something?

 

[whywere]

Sorry will NOT answer that question, BUT I do give you HUGE hugs, so much love, caring and family vibes.

We are ALL together in this and when I read posts like this it messes my head up, have had 2 attempts and I would NEVER EVER give out ANY info on ctb.

BUT I will ALWAYS give out HUGE hugs, love and we are ALL family here. Always around,

NO I AM NOT PRO-LIFE NOR PRO CTB, it is just that I thought that giving out info of this nature was against the rules and beyond that it REALLY messes with my head, as I so dislike losing family on here.

Walter

 

[melonpan]

Hanging is meant to originally break your neck and there's actually a chart according to your weight, which would be … 8"0 and I'm assuming that's difficult.

Here's a thread I found that I think you'll also take as useful that goes more into detail than the old 'execution' method: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ension-hanging-accessible-to-everyone.175164/

 

[JesiBel]

You're short and light like me, so why not choose Full Suspension Hanging? With our height, it's easy to find anchor points that work for us.

With Full Suspension you are free from all the problems of choosing the right position to apply more pressure with your weight. And since you are not in contact with the ground, there is no possibility of aborting the procedure.

If you still prefer Partial reading these threads will be helpful:

Measurement of force to obstruct the cervical arteries and distribution of tension exerted on a ligature in hanging (It doesn't take much weight to block the carotid arteries)

Calculation of tension exerted on a ligature in incomplete/partial hanging (the standing or kneeling position would be the most suitable, since you would use more of your own weight to apply pressure)

Partial Hanging, brief summary: losing consciousness, postures, reviewing common problems

Hanging is meant to originally break your neck and there's actually a chart according to your weight, which would be … 8"0 and I'm assuming that's difficult.

Here's a thread I found that I think you'll also take as useful that goes more into detail than the old 'execution' method: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ension-hanging-accessible-to-everyone.175164/

Please do not misinform, Drop Hanging and Partial or Full Hanging are completely different in their death mechanism.

Drop hanging is used in executions and carried out by trained military personnel. Even they have failed to make the calculations and preparations, resulting in a traumatic death for the prisoner.

When people talk about Hanging in the forum, it's either Full or Partial, and the mechanism of death isn't breaking your neck, but rather the blockage of the carotid arteries that supply oxygenated blood to the brain.

Brief summary of some points in the Hanging method.

Brief summary about brain oxygen deprivation and death

 

[TheEmptyVoid]

You're short and light like me, so why not choose Full Suspension Hanging? With our height, it's easy to find anchor points that work for us.

With Full Suspension you are free from all the problems of choosing the right position to apply more pressure with your weight. And since you are not in contact with the ground, there is no possibility of aborting the procedure.

If you still prefer Partial reading these threads will be helpful:

Measurement of force to obstruct the cervical arteries and distribution of tension exerted on a ligature in hanging (It doesn't take much weight to block the carotid arteries)

Calculation of tension exerted on a ligature in incomplete/partial hanging (the standing or kneeling position would be the most suitable, since you would use more of your own weight to apply pressure)

Partial Hanging, brief summary: losing consciousness, postures, reviewing common problems


Please do not misinform, Drop Hanging and Partial or Full Hanging are completely different in their death mechanism.

Drop hanging is used in executions and carried out by trained military personnel. Even they have failed to make the calculations and preparations, resulting in a traumatic death for the prisoner.

When people talk about Hanging in the forum, it's either Full or Partial, and the mechanism of death isn't breaking your neck, but rather the blockage of the carotid arteries that supply oxygenated blood to the brain.

Brief summary of some points in the Hanging method.

Brief summary about brain oxygen deprivation and death

I would've 100% gone for full suspension hanging if the vertebral arteries did not exist or were NOT shielded by bone, but they exist, they can supply oxygenated blood flow to the brain and can supply the entire brain including the brain regions that are supplied by the internal carotid arteries because the vertebral arteries is connected to the entire circle of willis, and the bone protection makes it impossible for external compression alone to obstruct them and it pisses me off.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I would've 100% gone for full suspension hanging if the vertebral arteries did not exist or were NOT shielded by bone, but they exist, they can supply oxygenated blood flow to the brain and can supply the entire brain including the brain regions that are supplied by the internal carotid arteries because the vertebral arteries is connected to the entire circle of willis, and the bone protection makes it impossible for external compression alone to obstruct them and it pisses me off.

It is nonsense to talk about forces if a certain pressure is required to close some vessels including the vertebral arteries. If the pressure is high enough the vertbrals will be obstructed because they are not shielded completly by bones. By reducing the diameter of the rope you can always increase the pressure.

Even if the bloodflow through the vertebraes would be sufficient to keep the brain conscious, what is not the case, the blood will be stopped as the jugular veins are closed for sure.

 

[TheEmptyVoid]

It is nonsense to talk about forces if a certain pressure is required to close some vessels including the vertebral arteries. If the pressure is high enough the vertbrals will be obstructed because they are not shielded completly by bones. By reducing the diameter of the rope you can always increase the pressure.

Even if the bloodflow through the vertebraes would be sufficient to keep the brain conscious, what is not the case, the blood will be stopped as the jugular veins are closed for sure.

Does it have to be between the bony canal to obstruct the 2 vertebral arteries or does it break the bony canals or what?

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Does it have to be between the bony canal to obstruct the 2 vertebral arteries or does it break the bony canals or what?

Human tissue including the muscles behave like silicone and this is a little like a fluid. If you put pressure circumferential on a cylindrical block of silicone the pressure propagates through the entire cross-section as if it is a fluid. So the pressure compresses the vessels from all sides.

 

[JesiBel]

I would've 100% gone for full suspension hanging if the vertebral arteries did not exist or were NOT shielded by bone, but they exist, they can supply oxygenated blood flow to the brain and can supply the entire brain including the brain regions that are supplied by the internal carotid arteries because the vertebral arteries is connected to the entire circle of willis, and the bone protection makes it impossible for external compression alone to obstruct them and it pisses me off.

The main suppliers of oxygen rich blood to the brain are the carotid arteries, and both are blocked by the ligature penetrating and compressing the neck during hanging.

Circle of Willis, who is in charge of redistributing blood, cannot compensate if both carotid arteries are blocked, the vertebral arteries provide little blood supply to keep the brain viable.

Oxygen is needed to produce the energy (essential to metabolize glucose) that brain cells require to function and they are very sensitive to the lack of it and start dying.

In addition there is also the airway occlusion by the ligature at the front of the neck (under the jaw), that causes the base of the tongue to rise upwards, blocking it as well.

Losing consciousness is an indication that the brain is switching to energy-saving and survival mode.

Some info about: trauma and compression of the vertebral arteries

The minimum required force to obstruct the blood stream in both carotid and vertebral arteries. Was 6 kg for the carotid artery and 7 kg* for the vertebral artery. The complete and fatal obstruction of the carotid and the vertebral arteries may easily occur when the ligature transects at the lower part of mandible angle.
*in other places it is mentioned: 20/35 kg

The vertebral and carotid artieries are stressed primarily by rotation, extension and traction, but other movements may also stretch the artery. As little as 20% of rotation and extension have been shown to significantly decrease vertebral artery blood flow.

The greatest stresses are placed on the verterbal arteries in 4 places:

• on entry to the C6 transverse process
• within the bony canals of the vertebral transverse processes
• between C1 and C2
• between C1 and entry of the arteries into the skull.

With respect to trauma, there are four regions of the vertebral artery where lesions have been identified. These are as follows: at the entrance of the vertebral artery to the foramen of the TP (transverse process) of C6, as the artery passes through the foramina of the TPs of C6 to C2, at the C1 foramen of the TP, and as the vertebral artery perforates the dura mater.

In addition to the C1–2 portion, the VA (vertebral artery) is vulnerable to compression in the portion that courses through the transverse foramen from C6 to C1. Because of its fixation to the spine in this segment, subluxations of one vertebral body on another may exert undue tension and traction on the artery. Positions of the cervical spine can cause compression of the VA. Rotation–extension–traction appears to be the most stressful, followed by rotation–extension, rotation alone, side flexion alone, extension alone, and then flexion.

The most common mechanism for a nonpenetrating trauma injury to the VA, is a hyperextension of the neck, with or without rotation, or cervical side flexion. These motions can result in a stretching and tearing of the intima and media, especially at the points where the artery is tethered to a bone.

(All sources are in the hyperlinks)

 

[TheEmptyVoid]

The main suppliers of oxygen rich blood to the brain are the carotid arteries, and both are blocked by the ligature penetrating and compressing the neck during hanging.

Circle of Willis, who is in charge of redistributing blood, cannot compensate if both carotid arteries are blocked, the vertebral arteries provide little blood supply to keep the brain viable.

Oxygen is needed to produce the energy (essential to metabolize glucose) that brain cells require to function and they are very sensitive to the lack of it and start dying.

In addition there is also the airway occlusion by the ligature at the front of the neck (under the jaw), that causes the base of the tongue to rise upwards, blocking it as well.

Losing consciousness is an indication that the brain is switching to energy-saving and survival mode.

Some info about: trauma and compression of the vertebral arteries

The minimum required force to obstruct the blood stream in both carotid and vertebral arteries. Was 6 kg for the carotid artery and 7 kg* for the vertebral artery. The complete and fatal obstruction of the carotid and the vertebral arteries may easily occur when the ligature transects at the lower part of mandible angle.
*in other places it is mentioned: 20/35 kg

The vertebral and carotid artieries are stressed primarily by rotation, extension and traction, but other movements may also stretch the artery. As little as 20% of rotation and extension have been shown to significantly decrease vertebral artery blood flow.

The greatest stresses are placed on the verterbal arteries in 4 places:

• on entry to the C6 transverse process
• within the bony canals of the vertebral transverse processes
• between C1 and C2
• between C1 and entry of the arteries into the skull.

With respect to trauma, there are four regions of the vertebral artery where lesions have been identified. These are as follows: at the entrance of the vertebral artery to the foramen of the TP (transverse process) of C6, as the artery passes through the foramina of the TPs of C6 to C2, at the C1 foramen of the TP, and as the vertebral artery perforates the dura mater.

In addition to the C1–2 portion, the VA (vertebral artery) is vulnerable to compression in the portion that courses through the transverse foramen from C6 to C1. Because of its fixation to the spine in this segment, subluxations of one vertebral body on another may exert undue tension and traction on the artery. Positions of the cervical spine can cause compression of the VA. Rotation–extension–traction appears to be the most stressful, followed by rotation–extension, rotation alone, side flexion alone, extension alone, and then flexion.

The most common mechanism for a nonpenetrating trauma injury to the VA, is a hyperextension of the neck, with or without rotation, or cervical side flexion. These motions can result in a stretching and tearing of the intima and media, especially at the points where the artery is tethered to a bone.

(All sources are in the hyperlinks)

(sorry for being overly desperate but I just want a painless death from complete cerebral ischemia rather than airway blockage alone) What would the knot position have to be and does the 20% of rotation and extension decrease the 2 vertebral arteries flow significantly and does it not matter if the rope was below the c1-c2, such as being in the c3-4 area because the rope is hard to put directly on the c1 and keep it there, and does having the rope on the c3-4 area still cause significant bilateral blockage of both vertebral arteries from the extension and rotation like a side head tilt from the knot positioned between the ear and the chin (and of course the 2 internal carotid arteries), thank you.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

The minimum required force to obstruct the blood stream in both carotid and vertebral arteries. Was 6 kg for the carotid artery and 7 kg* for the vertebral artery. The complete and fatal obstruction of the carotid and the vertebral arteries may easily occur when the ligature transects at the lower part of mandible angle.

Do you know what this statement means?

"We measured the minimum required force to obstruct the blood stream in both carotid and vertebral arteries exerting 130 mmHg (17332 Pa). The required force was 6 kg for the carotid artery and 7 kg for the vertebral artery."

You need a pressure of about 17 000 Pa (N/m²) to compress the blood vessels in the neck and this will be achieved with a Force of 60 to 70 N?
Does this mean that a force of 60 N acts perpendicular to the vessel on an area of 6 cm x 6 cm?

The question isn´t pure academic, because the numbers say nothing about the required rope force and the rope diameter, so they are of no practical use for the required body weight.

 

[JesiBel]

(sorry for being overly desperate but I just want a painless death from complete cerebral ischemia rather than airway blockage alone) What would the knot position have to be and does the 20% of rotation and extension decrease the 2 vertebral arteries flow significantly and does it not matter if the rope was below the c1-c2, such as being in the c3-4 area because the rope is hard to put directly on the c1 and keep it there, and does having the rope on the c3-4 area still cause significant bilateral blockage of both vertebral arteries from the extension and rotation like a side head tilt from the knot positioned between the ear and the chin (and of course the 2 internal carotid arteries), thank you.

At what point was it said that you will only die from airway blockage? The mechanism of death is to cause the blockage of the carotid arteries which provide most of the oxygenated blood supply to the brain. Take the time and read previous my answer carefully.

People here overthink a lot and expect miracles. Before you lose consciousness, you'll feel the pressure of your entire body weight on your neck. Be realistic.

There is only one position for the ligature, under your jaw. More or less at the height of the Hyoid Bone, which is above of the Adam's apple (laryngeal prominence). And the ligature knot should be behind the neck in the center. The access to the arteries is easier there and it is even the softest area of the neck.

You can even look up forensic photos of people who have hanged themselves and see where the deep ligature marks are. The body is in a vertical suspended position, the rope will rise to the highest part of the neck (whether you like it or not, gravity does its work)

There are tons of videos of people hanging themselves and dying. Nothing magical has saved them. You can even see with your own eyes each phase of the death mechanism. If they're not convincing, maybe you should look for another method and stop dwelling on the matter.

You can even pick up an biology textbook and read about the importance of oxygenated blood flow to the brain in clinical cases like strokes where life is at risk. And if people are not treated in time in emergencies, they will die or end with severe disabilities (due to brain damage). All this in a natural context of the organism.
Now, imagine someone with a rope around their neck, exerting pressure from their entire suspended weight. And compressing all the neck structures in a violent and abrupt manner. Incompatible with life, right?

 

[TheEmptyVoid]

At what point was it said that you will only die from airway blockage? The mechanism of death is to cause the blockage of the carotid arteries which provide most of the oxygenated blood supply to the brain. Take the time and read previous my answer carefully.

People here overthink a lot and expect miracles. Before you lose consciousness, you'll feel the pressure of your entire body weight on your neck. Be realistic.

There is only one position for the ligature, under your jaw. More or less at the height of the Hyoid Bone, which is above of the Adam's apple (laryngeal prominence). And the ligature knot should be behind the neck in the center. The access to the arteries is easier there and it is even the softest area of the neck.

You can even look up forensic photos of people who have hanged themselves and see where the deep ligature marks are. The body is in a vertical suspended position, the rope will rise to the highest part of the neck (whether you like it or not, gravity does its work)

There are tons of videos of people hanging themselves and dying. Nothing magical has saved them. You can even see with your own eyes each phase of the death mechanism. If they're not convincing, maybe you should look for another method and stop dwelling on the matter.

You can even pick up an biology textbook and read about the importance of oxygenated blood flow to the brain in clinical cases like strokes where life is at risk. And if people are not treated in time in emergencies, they will die or end with severe disabilities (due to brain damage). All this in a natural context of the organism.
Now, imagine someone with a rope around their neck, exerting pressure from their entire suspended weight. And compressing all the neck structures in a violent and abrupt manner. Incompatible with life, right?

chill, I was just making sure