Help Failed attempt FSH

[MissAbyss]

I tried to attempt full suspension hanging today, but it failed.

Everthing was set in place, I was "Ready Steady Go..". The noose was very tight, just below my jawline and the knot behind my neck. I stood on a chair and slowly lowered myself to apply pressure on my neck, (I have a mirror in the hallway, and in it, I saw my face quickly turning purple-blueish). I noticed that my breathing wasn't completely cut off, so I could still breathe a little. I didn't felt any pain or unease.
There was some pressure building up in my head, but I didn't feel like I was going to lose consciousness, after about 15 seconds (counting in my head), I stopped.
After that I tried two more times,which also didn't seem to work properly and I gave up.

What did seem to work is that my sinuses are really loosen, I'm practically sneezing my eyeballs out!

Please, can someone perhaps enlighten me what I might have done wrong? It's really frustrating.

Thank you

 

[MyShadow]

@CC123 will be your best resource for this.

 

[strawberry931]

Pressure building up in your head usually means you have compressed the jugular vein but not the carotid arteries. So blood was coming in but could not leave. That will still work but will take longer and that feeling of pressure makes it feel like your head is going to pop.

 

[MissAbyss]

Pressure building up in your head usually means you have compressed the jugular vein but not the carotid arteries. So blood was coming in but could not leave. That will still work but will take longer and that feeling of pressure makes it feel like your head is going to pop.

Thank you for answering.

My neck is thin and I used a 12mm rope, unbelievable it still was not enough to compress the carotid arteries too.

 

[Worndown]

It is possible the noose was not tight enough. Not sure what knot you were using. If it slides freely, your chances of success increase greatly.

 

[JesiBel]

Uhmm, it's not full suspension if you were standing on the chair the whole time, just crouching down and applying pressure on your own won't work.

For it to work, you needed to leave the chair, with a decisive step into the "void."

And as @Worndown commented, a self-tightening knot for the ligature would be best.

Completely hanging with your full body weight in the air and the ligature tightening and penetrating your neck, it would be a different story.

 

[MissAbyss]

It is possible the noose was not tight enough. Not sure what knot you were using. If it slides freely, your chances of success increase greatly.

I used this knot:



I used a 12mm Polypropylene rope. Should be enough, right? Since I'm lightweight.

It didn't slide really freely though because the rope is very stiff. But it felt tight enough, couldn't be tighter.

 

[Firefly.Forest]

You may have tightened the knot too much near the object and that's why it's sticking instead of sliding easily.

Try loosening it a little and placing it against the object. Or lubricate that section of the rope, to see if it can close better.

In any case, note that the object is hard, your neck is soft, the rope will penetrate it, reducing its diameter.

The carotid arteries are on the sides of the neck, the weight of your body will cause them to be compressed when the knot closes itself (since the knot will be behind the neck)

OP, please see above post - for possible resolutions.

 

[MissAbyss]

Uhmm, it's not full suspension if you were standing on the chair the whole time, just crouching down and applying pressure on your own won't work.

Yes, I understand. I read in one of the hanging threads, that you should get off the chair slowly to avoid damaging your trachea?

Completely hanging with your full body weight in the air and the ligature tightening and penetrating your neck, it would be a different story.

My legs were of the chair. I understand that the rope has to be as tight as possible around the neck, but the idea is not that it should practically decapitate me, right? Although..

Next time, I will put more effort in it.

OP, please see above post - for possible resolutions.

Thanks!

 

[Forveleth]

What did seem to work is that my sinuses are really loosen, I'm practically sneezing my eyeballs out!

So the next time I have a cold I should attempt to hang myself. Thanks for the tip!

 

[MissAbyss]

So the next time I have a cold I should attempt to hang myself. Thanks for the tip!

That's what I thought too!

 

[Ch4in3dcr0w]

Yes, I understand. I read in one of the hanging threads, that you should get off the chair slowly to avoid damaging your trachea?

like jesiBel said in fs hanging u should drop from the place u are standing on. i dont know what hanging thread u are talking about but damaging your trachea shouldnt be any of your worry. The drop should be just as easy as kicking your chair.

My legs were of the chair. I understand that the rope has to be as tight as possible around the neck, but the idea is not that it should practically decapitate me, right? Although..

Decapitations sometimes happend during hanging but its only the case if your ligature has any cutting force (steel wire for example. With enough force it would have decapitated you). The rope you are using doesnt have any cutting force so it wont happend.

 

[Worndown]

Try this knot.
Pic 1, how to tie it
Pic 2, how you use it

It makes a small loop "eye" for the other end of the rope to pass through.
It tightens freely.

 

[MissAbyss]

Try this knot.
Pic 1, how to tie it
Pic 2, how you use it

It makes a small loop "eye" for the other end of the rope to pass through.
It tightens freely.

Thanks for the advice! I'll try, looks much easier to use.

 

[JesiBel]

OP, please see above post - for possible resolutions.

Please, next time include the link to the thread where you got the answers/quotes, so that they don't get out of context.

Thread 'best knot for hanging... probably asked before, but new details never hurt'

best knot for hanging... probably asked before, but new details never hurt

it should increasingly tighten as you sink down, right? and using soap i also heard helps tighten it even more... what avout the material of rope?

sanctioned-suicide.net

Yes, I understand. I read in one of the hanging threads, that you should get off the chair slowly to avoid damaging your trachea?



My legs were of the chair. I understand that the rope has to be as tight as possible around the neck, but the idea is not that it should practically decapitate me, right? Although..

Next time, I will put more effort in it.

Thanks!

What you should avoid are very sudden movements such as jumping out of the chair, as you run the risk of the ligature knot moving and changing position.

You can do it with a controlled and decisive movement. You can put the ligature and knot in the correct position and then step into the void.
This way the impact of "the fall" is less than if you were to do it by jumping.
You can lower yourself a bit and then step into the void. If you want the fall to be even smaller but it is not necessary.

The trachea is below the larynx so it will not be damaged. The position of the ligature would be more or less at the height of the Hyoid Bone. Which is above of the Adam's apple (laryngeal prominence)

The structures in your neck will be damaged if you drop yourself from a high place; the impact of your body falling and the rope tightening under your weight will create a kind of strong rebound. (This is common in Drop Hanging which is not the same as Full Suspension)

It's impossible to decapitate yourself in Full Suspension. That only happened in Drop Hanging, and that's because those executing the prisoners miscalculated and misprepared. But it's not the same death mechanism.

Please don't rush anything. I think it's better you read a little more. Or you'll hurt yourself.

Drop Hanging and Full Suspension Hanging are not the same.

 

[Firefly.Forest]

@JesiBel - Understood will remember in the future to include the thread link.

 

[MissAbyss]

Please, next time include the link to the thread where you got the answers/quotes, so that they don't get out of context.

Thread 'best knot for hanging... probably asked before, but new details never hurt'

best knot for hanging... probably asked before, but new details never hurt

it should increasingly tighten as you sink down, right? and using soap i also heard helps tighten it even more... what avout the material of rope?

sanctioned-suicide.net

What you should avoid are very sudden movements such as jumping out of the chair, as you run the risk of the ligature knot moving and changing position.

You can do it with a controlled and decisive movement. You can put the ligature and knot in the correct position and then step into the void.
This way the impact of "the fall" is less than if you were to do it by jumping.
You can lower yourself a bit and then step into the void. If you want the fall to be even smaller but it is not necessary.

The trachea is below the larynx so it will not be damaged. The position of the ligature would be more or less at the height of the Hyoid Bone. Which is above of the Adam's apple (laryngeal prominence)

The structures in your neck will be damaged if you drop yourself from a high place; the impact of your body falling and the rope tightening under your weight will create a kind of strong rebound. (This is common in Drop Hanging which is not the same as Full Suspension)

It's impossible to decapitate yourself in Full Suspension. That only happened in Drop Hanging, and that's because those executing the prisoners miscalculated and misprepared. But it's not the same death mechanism.

Please don't rush anything. I think it's better you read a little more. Or you'll hurt yourself.

Drop Hanging and Full Suspension Hanging are not the same.

Thank you for the detailed answer. I'll read more about it.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Yes, I understand. I read in one of the hanging threads, that you should get off the chair slowly to avoid damaging your trachea?



My legs were of the chair. I understand that the rope has to be as tight as possible around the neck, but the idea is not that it should practically decapitate me, right? Although..

Next time, I will put more effort in it.

Thanks!

Your legs were off the chair for 15 self counted seconds and you did not feel any pain, could still breath a little and obviously only your jugular vains were closed?

My I ask how heavy you are, maybe your rope is simply too thick for your weight.

When you didn't felt any pain, why did you stepped back on the stool? Was it what people call survival instinct?

By self counting I normally measure a too short period, a video is better to measure the time history of the events.

 

[MissAbyss]

Your legs were off the chair for 15 self counted seconds and you did not feel any pain, could still breath a little and obviously only your jugular vains were closed?

I don't know.
Someone else in the comments above mentioned that.

My I ask how heavy you are, maybe your rope is simply too thick for your weight.

5'3 ft /106 lbs - 1.60m/48kg
Maybe, or I used the wrong knot.
l'll try another, as suggested above.

When you didn't felt any pain, why did you stepped back on the stool? Was it what people call survival instinct?

Pain is subjective, I want to pass out quickly, I don't want to choke to death. Yes, SI kicked in.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I don't know.
Someone else in the comments above mentioned that.


5'3 ft /106 lbs - 1.60m/48kg
Maybe, or I used the wrong knot.
l'll try another, as suggested above.


Pain is subjective, I want to pass out quickly, I don't want to choke to death. Yes, SI kicked in.

 

[rozeske]

Seems like you attempted partial hanging. It's where part of your body is partially touching surface. Full suspension hanging is where the body is fully suspended off the ground by the neck. Hard to come out of that one alive and generally advised not to try unless you are sure of your intension.

 

[Worndown]

You should get off the chair for a few reasons.
It is easier on the skin (comfort)
It puts less stress on the anchor point
It makes less noise

It is less frightening and is what you do in practice. Practice now and it is easier then.

 

[MissAbyss]

Hard to come out of that one alive

Hard but not impossible. I should have kicked the chair away, so I couldn't go back on it.
It probably would have taken a bit longer but then it would have been inevitable.

You should get off the chair for a few reasons.
It is easier on the skin (comfort)
It puts less stress on the anchor point
It makes less noise

It is less frightening and is what you do in practice. Practice now and it is easier then.

I'm not really the practicing type of person. Already frustrated enough that it didn't worked out the first time.

I changed the knot in an overhand loop, and it slides better now. Thank you for that suggestion
Anchor point is rock solid and I don't really have to worry about making noises.

Next time I will step off with a controlled and decisive movement, like Jesibel said and try to kick the chair away.

 

[rozeske]

Hard but not impossible. I should have kicked the chair away, so I couldn't go back on it.
It probably would have taken a bit longer but then it would have been inevitable.

That is what i meant by hard to come out alive. once you kick the chair it becomes full suspension hanging. No way to bring yourself back up after that unless setup fails or you are discovered.