Drug cocktail OD?

[outnout]

I know ODs have pretty low likelihood of success in general based on statistics and aren't discussed often - but that takes into account all the benign substances OTC and rx people try that have no chance. Could this maybe be a viable option?

3 g methadone
20 mg clonazepam
20 mg clonidine

Assuming
- all taken orally
- pre dosed with zofran for multiple days
- no tolerance
- no chance of being found
- hopefully no vomiting within the first hour

How would it compare to SN for succes rate? SN would be my choice if I couldn't feel confident in the OD. PPH only rates SN success at 6/10 and it almost seems like this might have a better shot?

 

[EmptyBottle]

- hopefully no vomiting within the first hour

I cannot guarantee that. Also, the combo does seem more potent than other drugs... but naloxone exists... and benzo OD can be a nightmare.

 

[outnout]

The vomiting part scares me. I would be alone and no chance for naloxone to intervene. What do you mean about benzo OD? How it feels?

Does anyone know about the respiratory effects of methadone vs other opiates? Seems like fentanyl is a better option because it has a quick onset..but at the same time, methadone is continuously building up in the body because of the long half life and resp depression would just continue to peak over the course of hours?

 

[EmptyBottle]

The vomiting part scares me. I would be alone and no chance for naloxone to intervene. What do you mean about benzo OD? How it feels?

Does anyone know about the respiratory effects of methadone vs other opiates? Seems like fentanyl is a better option because it has a quick onset..but at the same time, methadone is continuously building up in the body because of the long half life and resp depression would just continue to peak over the course of hours?

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small risk of brain damage, plus the side effects of benzos occuring for a while after the main effects wear off (assuming one has been given naloxone).

While I hear that methadone OD can be dangerous (risk of death), I cannot be certain what dose is needed, nor the risk of vomiting, etc.

 

[outnout]

Damn this sucks. Probably just a bad idea, I'm desperate. I wish nitrogen tanks would deliver to residential addresses

 

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[outnout]

Wild.. PPH makes it sound like it's actually feasible, but I guess not

 

[outnout]

Are all the SN sources now fully gone? Because I was dead set on this OD until I read all these posts and got feedback. Now I'm thinking SN is the way but it seems like it's actually just gone for good from all reputable places? Not asking for sources but is it even worth searching still?

 

[hell toupee]

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small risk of brain damage, plus the side effects of benzos occuring for a while after the main effects wear off (assuming one has been given naloxone).

While I hear that methadone OD can be dangerous (risk of death), I cannot be certain what dose is needed, nor the risk of vomiting, etc.

I was on methadone for many years. It absolutely has the power to make you ctb. I almost did and was taking 155mg/day for 5 years, which is considered a pretty big dose. I wasn't trying to OD, however.

Vomiting could be a problem, yes, is this liquid or the tablets? Do you have any kind of tolerance? Do you have something to potentiate it for insurance? If so, what?

 

[outnout]

No tolerance
It's liquid (little over 10 oz)
Have 20 mg clonazepam too

It's a lot of liquid to potentially throw up

 

[EmptyBottle]

I was on methadone for many years. It absolutely has the power to make you ctb. I almost did and was taking 155mg/day for 5 years, which is considered a pretty big dose. I wasn't trying to OD, however.

Vomiting could be a problem, yes, is this liquid or the tablets? Do you have any kind of tolerance? Do you have something to potentiate it for insurance? If so, what?

good questions... and opiates definitely have strong OD risks, where without naloxone, one may find themselves in the next realm of existence without any way back (or non existence / DEAD)

 

[hell toupee]

good questions... and opiates definitely have strong OD risks, where without naloxone, one may find themselves in the next realm of existence without any way back (or non existence / DEAD)

Yes, I mentioned this in another thread, but when people keep reciting this thing of "ODs rarely work" or "Only 6% of ODs are successful" (can't remember the actual percentage but it's single digits), that's not entirely accurate.

What people should realize is that the reason ODs are so unsuccessful is that they are lumping in all the people who impulsively take tylenol, benadryl, antidepressants, ie., whatever they have on hand - both OTC and prescription. They are including in that statistic drugs that have ZERO chance of making you die. The statistic is simply people who tried to OD, not what drugs they used to try and OD. So people read that and think "oh geez, you mean if I have no tolerance and take 5 grams of methadone I only have a 6% chance of dying?" - which is obviously the wrong conclusion.

Pills are very easily accessible. So if you think about it, just making the statement that "ODs rarely work" is a little bit skewed. If someone has access to highly potent opioids, and potentiates that with benzos or alcohol and has very little to no tolerance, believe me, the success rate is going to be a lot damn higher than 6% or whatever it is.

If someone has methadone and wants to avoid vomiting, this will sound gross, but it is well known on drug circles to just shove them up your ass. In fact, drug addicts often do this not to avoid nausea, but because it absorbs directly in to your bloodstream and bypasses the stomach acids - so you get more bang for your buck.

I never had a problem with nausea, probably because I was so used to taking opioids and had a very high tolerance, but ya, if you wanted to you could shove the tablets (wafers actually) up your rear end, or if it's liquid methadone like they give in clinics, you could put it in an enema.

Methadone, more than any other opioid I've been addicted to, takes the cake with making you extremely sleepy and slowing down your respiratory system,

 

[EmptyBottle]

Yes, I mentioned this in another thread, but when people keep reciting this thing of "ODs rarely work" or "Only 6% of ODs are successful" (can't remember the actual percentage but it's single digits), that's not entirely accurate.

What people should realize is that the reason ODs are so unsuccessful is that they are lumping in all the people who impulsively take tylenol, benadryl, antidepressants, ie., whatever they have on hand - both OTC and prescription. They are including in that statistic drugs that have ZERO chance of making you die. The statistic is simply people who tried to OD, not what drugs they used to try and OD. So people read that and think "oh geez, you mean if I have no tolerance and take 5 grams of methadone I only have a 6% chance of dying?" - which is obviously the wrong conclusion.

Pills are very easily accessible. So if you think about it, just making the statement that "ODs rarely work" is a little bit skewed. If someone has access to highly potent opioids, and potentiates that with benzos or alcohol and has very little to no tolerance, believe me, the success rate is going to be a lot damn higher than 6% or whatever it is.

If someone has methadone and wants to avoid vomiting, this will sound gross, but it is well known on drug circles to just shove them up your ass. In fact, drug addicts often do this not to avoid nausea, but because it absorbs directly in to your bloodstream and bypasses the stomach acids - so you get more bang for your buck.

I never had a problem with nausea, probably because I was so used to taking opioids and had a very high tolerance, but ya, if you wanted to you could shove the tablets (wafers actually) up your rear end, or if it's liquid methadone like they give in clinics, you could put it in an enema.

Methadone, more than any other opioid I've been addicted to, takes the cake with making you extremely sleepy and slowing down your respiratory system,

oo yes, boofing is a surprisingly powerful idea... and imo, ODs should be classed as "complicated" coz it depends on the drug, dose, and sometimes person (since different people can have different effects at a standard/low/high dose)

Non prescription ODs... yep, they have low chance of succeeding (with few exceptions maybe)... prescription and less-than-legal stuff... high chance of fatality in high doses* (can vary from risky to near certain doom, depending on dose)


* depending on the drug.

 

[k1w1]

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small risk of brain damage, plus the side effects of benzos occuring for a while after the main effects wear off (assuming one has been given naloxone).

While I hear that methadone OD can be dangerous (risk of death), I cannot be certain what dose is needed, nor the risk of vomiting, etc.

Benzos have a very high safety profile. Most likely is one would drown in their own vomit while asleep. Regards methadone, I ingested 1000mgs and am here to write about it. I do have tolerances for both.