Do you think automation of most jobs will kill the taboo about suicide?

[Futile]

Basically, automation means less need for people's taxes and less jobs in general, which means the government doesn't need us to live anyway, or may even want us to go. This will undoubtely lead to the disappearance of the taboo about suicide and maybe even the legalization of euthanasia for all in most countries

I'm no economist but I guess this makes sense right?

 

[anxivoid]

I'm no economist but I guess this makes sense right?

I thought countries with automation may (shall) introduce an UBI (Universal Basic Income). If not - well...Euthanasia will be very welcomed! ^^

 

[Breadbfra]

No it won't.
Automation isn't erasing jobs. It will produce high skilled workers, the one that will be necessary to design automated machines. Just like what's happening now.

 

[Futile]

I thought countries with automation may (shall) introduce an UBI (Universal Basic Income). If not - well...Euthanasia will be very welcomed! ^^

Even if they introduce an ubi they still won't need unemployed people. In fact, they will lose money on them so the matter will be even worse

No it won't.
Automation isn't erasing jobs. It will produce high skilled workers, the one that will be necessary to design automated machines. Just like what's happening now.

Not everyone can design machines, those who can't or don't want to will be left out

 

[LonelyDude15]

No it won't.
Automation isn't erasing jobs. It will produce high skilled workers, the one that will be necessary to design automated machines. Just like what's happening now.

Automation doesn't guarantee the creation of new jobs, just like cars didn't provide new opportunities for horses. A lot of people are going to be left behind.

 

[anxivoid]

Even if they introduce an ubi they still won't need unemployed people. In fact, they will lose money on them so the matter will be even worse

Well, I don't know. If there is an UBI in future, it'll be just great. People will no longer suffer with work-related problems.

 

[Breadbfra]

Automation doesn't guarantee the creation of new jobs, just like cars didn't provide new opportunities for horses. A lot of people are going to be left behind.

That's not a fair comparison, and if we compare the two things horses have become a luxury and they created a billion dollar market.

Even if they introduce an ubi they still won't need unemployed people. In fact, they will lose money on them so the matter will be even worse

Not everyone can design machines, those who can't or don't want to will be left out

It's the govt job's to educate people.

 

[muffin222]

No. I think the stigma attached to suicide is so deeply embedded in the fabric of modern society and in most people's minds that it will never vanish

 

[Silvermorning]

I foresee a Huxley's New World , in the not so long distant future, where Soma and suicide are normalized for when the working class is no longer needed, cause robots are smart enough to scrub toilets.

So yeah.

 

[Futile]

No. I think the stigma attached to suicide is so deeply embedded in the fabric of modern society and in most people's minds that it will never vanish

I think the stigma has been artificially created so that people can keep working and pay taxes. Very few societies had this mindset even only centuries ago

 

[MichaelNomad123]

There might be a correlation but certainly no causation. Realistically we'll cling to the old ways while slowly transitioning into a new type of society. What form that will take, I don't know. I'm not well read enough to quote scholars. I don't see a future of casual suicide though.

 

[woxihuanni]

I think keeping people alive for using them is only secondary to the utter contempt towards what is perceived as either broken or rebellious people. Therefore suicide will never be made easy. The selfoffer will always be forced to off themselves in disgrace and agony.

 

[suicidesheep31]

I think automation will reduce the number of alimentary jobs and could be damaging for the general population. Automation could create a world without human interactions, without empathy where the profit and capitalism prone. But people need of interaction, we see it with COVID but also here. I think that it will create new jobs axed on health and well-being, and also programming. I hope the states will give a minimal but sufficient fixed salary to everyone because obviously they can when we see the profit of the companies.

Deeply, your question is if we are not useful in this society, why should we live? What is the purpose of life? Honestly, I don't know. I am searching the answer...

 

[Futile]

Deeply, your question is if we are not useful in this society, why should we live? What is the purpose of life? Honestly, I don't know. I am searching the answer...

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about contributing to society and in fact would really like to see it crumble to dust

What I'm saying is that when the elites won't need us anymore, maybe they will let us die

 

[suicidesheep31]

What I'm saying is that when the elites won't need us anymore, maybe they will let us die

I hope that it is true...

 

[StuFin]

Major Douglas (Douglas Social Credit) was talking about this in the 20's or 30's, that population is growing but machines are taking the jobs, so there will be no work for most people.

His argument was that we needed a new system where the machines make our lives better, where we get a basic income from the government (which can be done if they control the money supply properly and don't rack up debt) and you can choose to not work and have a simple life, or to work as well and be able to afford more things.

But everyone would be able to live without worry or poverty.

It was huge before WW2, there were clubs and organisations, but after the war people were tired and just wanted to get on with their lives, and DSC was classed as anti-semitic, no academic can talk about it or their career is over.

Ironically I think the 4th industrial revolution is in part adopting Douglas Social credit - you don't HAVE to work but can if you want to, there is no debt, and you own nothing you just get to live in a house (owned by the state) etc.

Of course it's also closely aligned to Marxism, and as usual there will be some people who are more equal than others, plus the technology will mean that "they" will know everything you do, and even if you criticise the leaders, so if you don't comply you will simply be punished by not being able to live.

It could be a utopia, or a dystopia.

On that note the tv show utopia (about a pandemic and etc) has been removed by Netflix.....

Tin foil hat time.

 

[Ko9]

Not automation per se, just the overall way life and society will change. More and more people will be left behind.

 

[MrBlue]

In a stereotypical Utopia, the stigma might get even worse in some ways, because people could make the argument that without the need for a job then people have less stress and more time to pursue what they enjoy instead- therefore 'no reason' to be sad or suicidal.

Though I don't think our ethics will move quick enough as technology advances, so it's more likely that the people put out of jobs will just be shamed for not finding employment elsewhere or retraining, rather than suicide being considered an option for them/others.