Discussion Are You Mainly Suicidal because of Chronic Physical Pain or Chronic Social Pain?

[mossyfox]

Some members are here due to chronic illnesses. Some suffer continuous social rejection and/or belong nowhere socially. Another member pointed out that social rejection registers in the brain like physical pain and this got me thinking...

Medications only help so much to those suffering with chronic physical pain; there is a point where you are still living every day with pain and it is too much. Is this correct? I personally don't experience this struggle.

I struggle with not belonging anywhere socially and continuous social rejection. It just happens to some people. Heavy doses of medications can only do so much to relieve the pain and make it bearable. But the pain is always there.

So if our bodies register both physical and social pain in the same area of the brain and modern medicine is limited in its ability to completely numb the pain, and definitely can't 'cure' the pain, why would we be expected to live like this for decades? Why wouldn't we have the right to end our suffering? After years and years of this, we just end up so exhausted and find it hard to keep putting up a fight to go on. Maybe some people find a reason to keep fighting, but clearly not all of us.

Does anyone else think there are some comparisons to draw between sufferers of physical pain and those of social pain, and how we treat both with modern medicine? The attitude towards ctb is definitely more accepting of those who traditional physical illnesses than those without.

If you are dealing with long term physical pain, what is your experience with medication for pain management and why you feel suicidal?

If you are dealing with long term social pain and have taken medication to relieve the pain, do you find that you still had/have underlying pain to manage despite the medication?

 

[mossyfox]

Almost split for physical and social.

 

[meetapple]

I personally have been dealing with social rejection brought about my lack of confidence and self-esteem for quite a while. My therapist believes I am just misinterpreting people and expects me to work through it. But the pain is there and I can't make it disappear through cognitive restructuring.

 

[Jumping_realms]

Yes.

 

[mystique]

Both. Physical pain is as bad as social pain. Emotions affect our bodies but doctors will give you tons of pills that don't do much.

 

[Dear Agony]

Chronic mental pain, mental illnesses are fun.

 

[Pure]

Socially i'm very isolated, did anti depressants for almost 4 years, nothing short of poison on my body. Started microdosing psilocybin about 2 weeks ago, it's been working far better at other meds. My mood ranges from abject numbness to feeling actually optimistic about life. It's managed to curb my anger and suicidality.

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

Financial which leaks into social. Nothing to do. Nothing to talk about. Just worry and hate.

 

[Green Destiny]

Mostly physical pain. I also have a high chance of being diagnosed with Alzheimer's from multiple head trauma's so that's something I do not wish to suffer.

 

[Apricity]

I suffer from both. My back was injured badly at work, and while I was down, my wife cheated.

 

[WhatDoesTheFoxSay?]

Lupus (SLE). Chronic pain ruined my life. I'm in my late 20s but I feel like a decrepit old hag. I'm sick and tired of playing Russian-roulette with an unpredictable illness and I WANT OUT.

 

[seamus]

Chronic regrets

 

[Verodv]

Why not add chronic mental illness? I think it's pretty common

 

[Makko]

Metaphysical pain ever since I fell down and twisted my dimension

 

[KayKay]

Socially i'm very isolated, did anti depressants for almost 4 years, nothing short of poison on my body. Started microdosing psilocybin about 2 weeks ago, it's been working far better at other meds. My mood ranges from abject numbness to feeling actually optimistic about life. It's managed to curb my anger and suicidality.

I'm so interested in microdosing psilocybin. The research looks as solid as it can be. And it's the one thing I've never tried. Glad it's helping you a bit

 

[Pluto]

I'm so interested in microdosing psilocybin. The research looks as solid as it can be. And it's the one thing I've never tried. Glad it's helping you a bit

Me to, but it's illegal here. I can't explain that one.

Anyway, I agree that there's a link between social rejection and physical pain. Feel deflated, often a non-stop pain in the chest. It's no way to live for decades.

 

[doesntevenmatter]

I really feel for those of you who suffer from chronic pain... To have that, on top of depression and whatnot... Oof.. I fell off a ladder at work several years ago. Fell about 16 feet, landed on concrete on my back. As I was falling I thought to myself "this is it, let's see what death is all about". But when I hit the ground and realized I wasn't dead I jumped up immediately. All the x-rays and everything came back negative, and surprisingly I was, well, fine.

It's caught up to me some. I'll hurt my back at random times and then be in pain for days, but it's mostly manageable I guess so I don't really suffer from "chronic" pain. The reason I am here is I let someone I loved control my life, even when she wasn't there. It's obviously a deeper rooted issue than that, something wrong with me. I had a rough childhood etc, but what hurts the most is that one person. Just can't seem to get over it, and when I think I have I am thrown a carrot which is what happened recently after I was doing pretty good. I let this situation ruin my life, and it's really no one's fault but my own.

 

[fly away]

The reason I am here is I let someone I loved control my life, even when she wasn't there. It's obviously a deeper rooted issue than that, something wrong with me. I had a rough childhood etc, but what hurts the most is that one person. Just can't seem to get over it, and when I think I have I am thrown a carrot which is what happened recently after I was doing pretty good. I let this situation ruin my life, and it's really no one's fault but my own.

That is not your fault. It sounds like this person may be a Narcissist, or at least has some tendencies towards Narcissism. No matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, you just won't get through to this person because you can't. No one can. This person will just keep dangling those carrots. And they know just what type of carrot to dangle to get at you. Or anyone. It's not you. It's her.

 

[LittleJem]

Mental illness me. Another f—king day of it. I've now lost my job too so bored and miserable and depressed.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Social. The medication doesn't really do anything except stop me from experiencing sudden severe changes in mood. The pain is still there as soon as a reminder appears. It could be to a greater or lesser degree, but the damage is done.

 

[mossyfox]

Why not add chronic mental illness? I think it's pretty common

I could. I was looking at this from pain management standpoint and what another member said about social rejection registering as physical pain in our brains.

I have a chronic mental illness. I could live alone without humans and be fine. I get along with pets fine and I'm able to physically care for myself. But this mental illness makes living among other humans difficult and results in immense social pain. Which is what leads to suicidal thoughts for me personally, not simply my chronic mental illness.

I'm interested in hearing about other people's relationship between their mental illness and suicidal desires. Anyone want to die simply because of the mental illness without any relation to social pain / rejection coming from your struggles with having a mental illness?

 

[Journeytoletgo]

Definitely social rejection pain I been feeling since age 14.

 

[Stuckaf2]

Is being a midget man considered a physical pain cuz it surely is

 

[VivantMort]

Existential pains and sufferings; untenable situation & circumstances, bereft of ways and means to change any of it. Socially isolated, noone with whom to enjoy life.

 

[FuneralCry]

For me the source of my pain is just existing in general. The way I see it, to exist is to suffer. The reason I am suicidal is because of life itself, I simply do not like living and it is a struggle. It is not really bad but my body does ache a lot and I have other health issues which just give me discomfort.

 

[upthedownescalatorr]

My suicidal thoughts began from loneliness which I used drugs to deal with. It used to be just weed and alcohol but then I graduated to uppers and downers which caused physical symptoms that pushed me into actively suicidal territory.

 

[Verodv]

I could. I was looking at this from pain management standpoint and what another member said about social rejection registering as physical pain in our brains.

I have a chronic mental illness. I could live alone without humans and be fine. I get along with pets fine and I'm able to physically care for myself. But this mental illness makes living among other humans difficult and results in immense social pain. Which is what leads to suicidal thoughts for me personally, not simply my chronic mental illness.

I'm interested in hearing about other people's relationship between their mental illness and suicidal desires. Anyone want to die simply because of the mental illness without any relation to social pain / rejection coming from your struggles with having a mental illness?

I get it, once I read in a book of dr. M. Linehan: if a person with Borderline P.d. lives on a desert island he/she will not experiences pain.
(That's also JP Sartre: Hell is other people).

 

[Journeytoletgo]

Social exclusion the pain is torture