Anybody like watching Jordan Peterson talks on YouTube?

[Final Escape]

I wish that guy would have been educating me growing up lol! I can't imagine how different I may have turned out. I would hope that I would have not went down same route had I been educated better morally in the formative years.

 

[LoNatural]

He says that eliminating unnecessary suffering is the noble thing to do, yet has openly promoted sadomasochism several times (marriage & children)
He has good content as a psychologist tho, and his book "12 rules of life" is excellent.

 

[Final Escape]

He says that eliminating unnecessary suffering is the noble thing to do, yet has openly promoted sadomasochism several times (marriage & children)
He has good content as a psychologist tho, and his book "12 rules of life" is excellent.

You think marriage and children are sadomasochism? Lol! Without the state involved, marriage and children is great and essential for civilization. Unless you want a bunch of poor people, fatherless kids, and poor women and men as a result. Women don't earn as much as men because we typically take on lower paying jobs, slightly lower iq on average, and disabled by pregnancy, and thereafter we earn less because wen you have kids u tend to prioritize wanting to be with your kids rather than working long hours. Feminist ideology makes it seem like men and women are the same but we are very different in our choices, drives, interests. The involvement of the state in giving rights to women over men in the event of divorce is catastrophic, for men and the kids who now don't have a dad. Often women regret divorce down the road too even though we initiate the divorce 70% of the time.

 

[LoNatural]

You think marriage and children are sadomasochism? Lol! Without the state involved, marriage and children is great and essential for civilization. Unless you want a bunch of poor people, fatherless kids, and poor women and men as a result. Women don't earn as much as men because we typically take on lower paying jobs, slightly lower iq on average, and disabled by pregnancy, and thereafter we earn less because wen you have kids u tend to prioritize wanting to be with your kids rather than working long hours. Feminist ideology makes it seem like men and women are the same but we are very different in our choices, drives, interests.

I agree that monogamy is great for society, as it makes it more stable. Marriage is just too risky. Just look at the divorce rates. He uses the excesses of the left as a way to promote his right wing agenda, and I find this really annoying and dangerous. One can't simply promote monogamy and expect it to work today.

Regarding children: having them is always sadomasochistic, that's just my opinion. Nothingness is preferable to the possibility of suffering.

 

[Final Escape]

I agree that monogamy is great for society, as it makes it more stable. Marriage is just too risky. Just look at the divorce rates. He uses the excesses of the left as a way to promote his right wing agenda, and I find this really annoying and dangerous. One can't simply promote monogamy and expect it to work today.

Regarding children: having them is always sadomasochistic, that's just my opinion. Nothingness is preferable to the possibility of suffering.

Yea, you would have to remove the state out of the family completely to restore marriage. Marriage doesn't have to be fully monogamous but preferably it should be. I doubt people were perfectly monogamous before the state promoted easy divorce. I can imagine that people stayed married for the sake of their kids even when they lost interest in each other. Which is good for the mental health of the kids as long as nobody is abusing each other in front of the kids. You would also teach people that birth control is not effective for everybody and it's likely that u will be in a situation where u will end up having to abort a pregnancy if u don't have a stable partner who can provide for u. Have fun with your sexual liberation as u destroy the next generation because u failed to get pregnant in a stable situation. Unless u enjoy being a single mother on welfare and having to work instead of being able to adequately be around for your kid in the early years when they need u most. Sorry I'm just rambling on lol!

 

[LoNatural]

Yea, you would have to remove the state out of the family completely to restore marriage. Marriage doesn't have to be fully monogamous but preferably it should be. I doubt people were perfectly monogamous before the state promoted easy divorce. I can imagine that people stayed married for the sake of their kids even when they lost interest in each other. Which is good for the mental health of the kids as long as nobody is abusing each other in front of the kids.

Apart from the consequences of divorce, without monogamy committing to a person is pointless. It's not like people were perfect monogamous, is that they suffered social consequences from infidelity and a lack of commitment. And that made it a strong bond.
Why would a man commit to a woman when she can live him for a walthier/prettier guy and why would a woman commit to a man when he could leave her for a younger one? That is what made the bond strong, consequences.

 

[Othermind]

Reactionary propaganda for gullible and angsty alienated young men with just enough pseudo-intellectual remarks and feel good platitudes to pass it off as self-help.
I find him and his cult-like followers utterly repulsive.

 

[LoNatural]

Reactionary propaganda for gullible and angsty alienated young men with just enough pseudo-intellectual remarks and feel good platitudes to pass it off as self-help.
I find him and his cult-like followers utterly repulsive.

Can you elaborate on how is he a pseudo-intellectual?

 

[sif]

Some things he says are good, some are not, as is the case with most people. He didn't ask people to follow him like a hateful cult either. I know very little about the guy but watched a little bit and it was very interested to me. It's eye opening stuff seeing someone calmly explain their unpopular views and get abused for it. Of course, I am not justifying his beliefs or anything I barely know what most of them are.
I just think that trying to convince people you are right and they are wrong by saying things like "pseudo intellectual" or arguments that don't have real points or evidence is really not helping anybody. People want to be emotionally invested and passionate and kind of forget the importance of communication when disagreeing.

 

[Othermind]

Can you elaborate on how is he a pseudo-intellectual?

He thinks Jungian psychology has merit in the 21st century.
Also this.

 

[Smilla]

Reactionary propaganda for gullible and angsty alienated young men with just enough pseudo-intellectual remarks and feel good platitudes to pass it off as self-help.
I find him and his cult-like followers utterly repulsive.

It IS self-help.

What's repugnant to me is that he's supposedly a goddamn PHILOSOPHY professor when there is nothing philosophic about his "teachings"—logic and reason fly out the window at every turn, he cries in class, sobs on YouTube—he essentially speaks like a high brow preacher, appealing to emotion not logic.

He scares me.

 

[Smilla]

He thinks Jungian psychology has merit in the 21st century.
Also this.

I saw a Jungian analyst for two years, not kidding. Great times!

 

[Smilla]

Oh, I stand corrected. He's a psychology professor, not philosophy.

 

[Hopeless_soul]

slightly lower iq on average

Could you please elaborate a bit more on that?

 

[Smilla]

Short clip about how men, because of physical prowess, "stand up to other men".

Proves the guy is a nutter.

 

[sif]

He thinks Jungian psychology has merit in the 21st century.
Also this.

Wtf am I looking at

 

[sif]

Yes, and the Jungian institutes are alive and well. Before that I saw a Freudian. I'm an idiot, what else can I say?

At least you know what those words mean, I'm clueless and stupid

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

Reactionary propaganda for gullible and angsty alienated young men.

And to think I don't even like him. I can't imagine who he actually does appeal to.

 

[Smilla]

Wtf am I looking at

My ex Jungian analyst could help you. Do you want her number ;)?

 

[Othermind]

Wtf am I looking at

The "intellectual" work of the guy you're defending.
Yeah, I'm taking him out of context, I need to watch 1500 hours of his lectures to fully appreciate his brilliance, whatever.

 

[Final Escape]

I guess for me his stuff made a lot of sense and yet I was not a conservative. But that's before I understood and lived the consequences directly by not living by the values of more conservative people.

 

[sif]

The "intellectual" work of the guy you're defending.
Yeah, I'm taking him out of context, I need to watch 1500 hours of his lectures to fully appreciate his brilliance, whatever.

Hey I'm not actually defending him, I don't know him, I am just defending discussion and please feel free to educate me with words that don't actually tell me nothing like "pseudointellectual". Nevermind actually I already don't understand half the words in this thread.

You jump to conclusions too fast

 

[Smilla]

Hey I'm not actually defending him, I don't know him, I am just defending discussion and please feel free to educate me with words that don't actually tell me nothing like "pseudointellectual". Nevermind actually I already don't understand half the words in this thread.

You jump to conclusions too fast

Peterson is very very polarizing. I get my hackles raised because I believe the man is dangerous to young people especially.

Don't take it personally.

And my quip about my former analyst (lunatic) was directed at her, not you.

 

[Othermind]

Hey I'm not actually defending him, I don't know him, I am just defending discussion and please feel free to educate me with words that don't actually tell me nothing like "pseudointellectual". Nevermind actually I already don't understand half the words in this thread.

You jump to conclusions too fast

Oh, trust me, I've had plenty of time to study this nutjob to get an informed opinion about him.
And after the diagram I posted, burden of proof that he is NOT a pseudo-intellectual snake oil salesman rests squarely on anyone defending him.

 

[Smilla]

Oh, trust me, I've had plenty of time to study this nutjob to get an informed opinion about him.
And after the diagram I posted, burden of proof that he is NOT a pseudo-intellectual snake oil salesman rests squarely on anyone defending him.

No, I think Sif meant that you were jumping to conclusions about himself.

 

[Hopeless_soul]

Short clip about how men, because of physical prowess, "stand up to other men".

Proves the guy is a nutter.

Suddenly I want to get drunk :D

 

[Chinaski]

You think marriage and children are sadomasochism? Lol! Without the state involved, marriage and children is great and essential for civilization. Unless you want a bunch of poor people, fatherless kids, and poor women and men as a result. Women don't earn as much as men because we typically take on lower paying jobs, slightly lower iq on average, and disabled by pregnancy, and thereafter we earn less because wen you have kids u tend to prioritize wanting to be with your kids rather than working long hours. Feminist ideology makes it seem like men and women are the same but we are very different in our choices, drives, interests. The involvement of the state in giving rights to women over men in the event of divorce is catastrophic, for men and the kids who now don't have a dad. Often women regret divorce down the road too even though we initiate the divorce 70% of the time.

Whenever Final Escape goes socio-political you guarantee it'll be quality entertainment but this post pretty much tops the lot, each sentence containing its own delightful nugget of fascinating wrongness.

 

[Othermind]

No, I think Sif meant that you were jumping to conclusions about himself.

I kind of get suspicious these days with people saying "let's just have a discussion" or "I'm not sure about this thing so let's just give it the benefit of the doubt", especially around controversial/unsavory people like Kermitson here. It's almost always supporters of theirs who are too ashamed to admit they are.

 

[Final Escape]

Short clip about how men, because of physical prowess, "stand up to other men".

Proves the guy is a nutter.

How does that make him a nutter? He's explaining how men have difficulty standing up to crazy women because u can't get violent. At one time before so much state intervention, there was social ostracism to keep people in line, but when the state intervenes you can no longer criticize anybody for behaving bad or irresponsibly.

 

[Smilla]

How does that make him a nutter? He's explaining how men have difficulty standing up to crazy women because u can't get violent. At one time before so much state intervention, there was social ostracism to keep people in line, but when the state intervenes you can no longer criticize anybody for being a piece of shit lol!

Oh, I don't know. Enlighten me.